Has everyone gone mad?

Luke · #1 03-25-2015, 09:54 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Po...-/201311433707

sreader3 · #2 03-25-2015, 10:13 PM

Maybe the missing "IE" on the back?

Anybody else have a PB with missing IE?

Edited to add:

I see the "SER S" variation has been written about here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=65844

Pretty well kept secret. Congrats to the winner.

edjs · #3 03-25-2015, 10:13 PM

Holy cow! All T206 collectors are about to get really rich! I was just listening to Madness, maybe that did it?

freakhappy · #4 03-25-2015, 11:06 PM

It's the "bird poop on arm" variation!

This saddens me as a T206 collector

Are we really this bored that we have to chase every single "variation" out there? Come on folks...get a grip! It's bad enough that we have Nodgrass, Dopner and M'rray.

clydepepper · #5 03-25-2015, 11:13 PM

You know what is is don't you?

Wait for it....

March Madness.
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clydepepper · #6 03-25-2015, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Po...-/201311433707

Luke-

What's the Seinfeld connection?

drcy · #7 03-25-2015, 11:26 PM

drcy · #8 03-25-2015, 11:33 PM

Any excuse to post that clip. That and "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

wonkaticket · #9 03-26-2015, 01:05 AM

Actually an interesting and quite difficult to find print defect that's only found on a handful of players to date. No more silly than a color variation that's orange or slight orange vs. red etc.

t206hound · #10 03-26-2015, 06:09 AM

Huh? I would have bet that it was a scanner issue and not a print defect.

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t206blogcom · #11 03-26-2015, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t206hound

Huh? I would have bet that it was a scanner issue and not a print defect.

+1

MVSNYC · #12 03-26-2015, 06:34 AM

You hear that?

The sound of 1,000's of T206 collectors rushing to their safes to see if their Polar Bears have this print defect.

brianp-beme · #13 03-26-2015, 06:38 AM

I've got a felt tip marker capable of creating countless quantities of these variations.

Brian

edjs · #14 03-26-2015, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t206hound

Huh? I would have bet that it was a scanner issue and not a print defect.

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+1, I thought the same thing.

LKeeler · #15 03-26-2015, 09:17 AM

I put in a snipe of $90 on the card. Saw that my snipe didn't win and never checked on the final price. Wow!

t206blogcom · #16 03-26-2015, 09:48 AM

Reason I thought it was the scan is because when I scanned the card below on my old scanner, it randomly marked out the 1 in 150. Figured it was a similar thing with this card. Wasn't aware of this 'variation'.

mybuddyinc · #17 03-26-2015, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

You hear that?

The sound of 1,000's of T206 collectors rushing to their safes to see if their Polar Bears have this print defect.

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Although it is interesting, to me, that the "error" was not mentioned in title or description. So that means there are a number of collectors who must check every PB auction.

LKeeler · #18 03-26-2015, 01:58 PM

The buyer listed the card this morning with a BIN of $4999.99 but the auction ended shortly afterwards.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Po...item1c504622b4

Cozumeleno · #19 03-26-2015, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LKeeler

The buyer listed the card this morning with a BIN of $4999.99 but the auction ended shortly afterwards.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Po...item1c504622b4

He/She also has this...http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-To...item1c4d9be7fd

I'm really hard-pressed to call that a variation. I have an UD card with a gold foil logo missing the gold (indentation is there, just no gold). I don't consider that a variation as much as I do a basic problem with the ink.

Pat R · #20 03-26-2015, 02:26 PM

They are both Dan's cards a veteran collector and board member, He knows
exactly what he has.

Sean · #21 03-26-2015, 02:43 PM

I know Dan and respect his knowledge of cards, but I still can't believe that this is a valuable error card.

freakhappy · #22 03-26-2015, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

I know Dan and respect his knowledge of cards, but I still can't believe that this is a valuable error card.

It only takes a few people to hype this sort of thing up and then the prices start to go crazy.

One thing we need to get away from is trying to advertise a card as valuable because "it's as rare as a BL 460, etc.," I could list thousands of cards that are rarer than a BL 460, Drum and such that aren't remotely close in price. A printing error is a printing error and just because part of the "L" is cut off, it shouldn't inflate the price 100x. That being said, to each their own...

wonkaticket · #23 03-26-2015, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freakhappy

It only takes a few people to hype this sort of thing up and then the prices start to go crazy.

One thing we need to get away from is trying to advertise a card as valuable because "it's as rare as a BL 460, etc.," I could list thousands of cards that are rarer than a BL 460, Drum and such that aren't remotely close in price. A printing error is a printing error and just because part of the "L" is cut off, it shouldn't inflate the price 100x. That being said, to each their own...

Mike, nobody inflates the prices on their own. The collecting community sets the prices and causes any amount of cards to be more valuable than a another at any given time. The only reasons that matter are supply and demand. The rest of the spectrum is trivial.

As for drawing a connection between say BL460 and this back error I think it's fine its making a connection between backs within the same series of cards. I've been looking for these cards as have a handful of collectors and I can say they come up very rarely. Is it silly perhaps but interesting nonetheless. No more silly than plate scratches and lines on T206s from the printing process.

Does that make them worth a certain price? Who knows? At the end of the day all of this stuff is only worth what somebody is willing to pay. In this case there were two people willing to pay over $900 for this card. So that makes these items desirable and valuable regardless of how you define them.

freakhappy · #24 03-26-2015, 03:34 PM

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!!

), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

wonkaticket · #25 03-26-2015, 04:06 PM

Mike, I see your side too. I agree some things I think people just want to be valuable. That is kind of human nature if you have something odd of course you want "your" item to be valuable. While hyping may lead to short term bumps I think it very rarely leads to real staying value.

In terms of this error. I was turned onto this by a very advanced collector long ago and it was kept under the radar. I have looked and looked and only managed to pull the 2 cards to date and this has been over many years. I know this is the same for the other 5-6 folks I know who are looking for these. To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around. It really is a tough and neat little error. Is it worth thousands upon thousands once again only worth what someone is willing to pay.

To me it's a great a thing little errors like this. It still shows that there insights into the production of this set as well new things to be found, that perhaps aren't as random as they appear. That's part of the magic of this set or the craziness of this set all depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

Cheers,

John

obcmac · #26 03-26-2015, 06:06 PM

Well...I was one to race to my binder to check it out. Yep, got it. Bradley with the missing ie. Taking offers;-)

Mac

wolf441 · #27 03-26-2015, 06:41 PM

Well, there's 20 minutes that I'll never get back. 0 for 21 on my Polar Bears.

Damn...skunked again!

brass_rat · #28 03-26-2015, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

To date I think I have the only Bradley there are a few copies of Bergen and Doolan floating around.

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

wonkaticket · #29 03-26-2015, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by obcmac

Well...I was one to race to my binder to check it out. Yep, got it. Bradley with the missing ie. Taking offers;-)

Mac

Mac, great to hear of another do you have an image? Never mind Mac just saw your BST cool card congrats! Only other Bradley I've seen to date sure there's more. There's 3 players accounted for. I wonder how many more players we will find that got printed with this back flaw?

irishdenny · #30 03-26-2015, 07:27 PM

Leave ta IrishJohnny...
ta Not just have One of'em!
BuT Ta Come uP WiT Two MoRe!!!

SiMpLeY AweSoMe MaN

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Actually an interesting and quite difficult to find print defect that's only found on a handful of players to date. No more silly than a color variation that's orange or slight orange vs. red etc.

MVSNYC · #31 03-26-2015, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I see what you're saying, John and I agree. I guess my point is that when people start talking on here about something they admire or "should be valuable", it doesn't take long before that actually happens. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and well respected people on this board and when they start talking, people listen. I have no problem if someone wanted to pay a million dollars for that card, but I see more and more of these random variations being hyped up. We both know we could probably go through our T206 collection and find a "variation" on at least half of the cards...it just waters the true variations down imo.

We all know we have a Titus hoarder among us (and I know who you are!!

), but do you think his cards would have went up much if we didn't realize it and people started making a big deal about it? Just a few years ago he was going for around what a standard common goes for...now, he can't be had for under $200. Part of this is people are viewing his card as "tough" and they feel like they need to stash them away or sell them for a king's ransom. I never get too worked up talking about this sort of stuff, but I do like to throw out my opinion from time to time. Honestly, I think collecting some of these oddities are great, but I believe it gets to be overblown from time to time

Thanks for your take, John...always like to hear what you have to say!

+1

It happens here often...Cycle 460, Titus, certain scraps/miscuts, etc. I'm not saying those cards aren't rare and valuable, BUT once some people start mentioning them here and "hyping" them up, other people can be influenced/persuaded about value and desirability.

darwinbulldog · #32 03-26-2015, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

I would say so. Now does anyone have any miscut Polar Bears with two different names including any of the guys found with the Ser__s back?

MVSNYC · #33 03-26-2015, 09:40 PM

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

Pat R · #34 03-27-2015, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brass_rat

Please forgive my ignorance as I really don't have much knowledge of printing plates and the process, but would this variation indicate that these three players were located at the same place and printed on different sheets? I would figure that the fronts were printed and then flipped to print the back. If a particular back plate was compromised at a single place, then it would make sense why these three players are found with the printing variation.

Thanks,
Steve

Good point Steve.
I think it would be safe to say that this particular back plate was used on at least three different sets of fronts. Besides the missing ie and the imperfection in the B in Bear already mentioned there also is the same extra white spot by the T in all the examples shown so far.

These are Robs that he has in the BST

wolf441 · #35 03-27-2015, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

C'mon, miscuts are so last week! Your not a cool kid if you don't have Polar Bear Base Ball Ser s card!

MVSNYC · #36 03-27-2015, 08:15 AM

Wolf, you are so right!

wonkaticket · #37 03-27-2015, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Did someone say miscut Polar Bear?

Show off!

MVSNYC · #38 03-27-2015, 08:19 AM

I learned it from watching you, John!

When the F are we doing another NYC dinner?

wonkaticket · #39 03-27-2015, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf441

C'mon, miscuts are so last week! Your not a cool kid if you don't have Polar Bear Base Ball Ser s card!

Not so sure Steve, what I have learned about this hobby that is iron clad is everything is worth 24k, not 10% more or less. Exactly 24k

Leon · #40 03-27-2015, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I learned it from watching you, John!

When the F are we doing another NYC dinner?

Doesn't Crandall have to organize these?

darwinbulldog · #41 03-27-2015, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

Good point Steve.
I think it would be safe to say that this particular back plate was used on at least three different sets of fronts. Besides the missing ie and the imperfection in the B in Bear already mentioned there also is the same extra white spot by the T in all the examples shown so far.

These are Robs that he has in the BST

One wonders how many thousands of dollars you could get now for a low grade common that has the white spot but is not missing the ie. We can call it "the ultra-rare spotted T/ie" variation.

steve B · #42 03-27-2015, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

One wonders how many thousands of dollars you could get now for a low grade common that has the white spot but is not missing the ie. We can call it "the ultra-rare spotted T/ie" variation.

Since the missing letters could be from plate damage and the small white spot would be a defective transfer, it should exist. If it does it will probably be somewhat common, and should be found on more than three cards. Probably 5-7 different, and it could come with one of the three fronts that have the missing IE. (Potentially more than 5-7 if the fronts were redone between the 350 and 460 series)

Steve B

sreader3 · #43 03-27-2015, 03:22 PM

I wanna give a hat tip to Morrie who spotted the PB "SER S" print error 11 years ago and was hazed on Net54 for raising the issue. I hope you squirreled away a few dozen!

Mountaineer1999 · #44 03-27-2015, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sreader3

I wanna give a hat tip to Morrie who spotted the PB "SER S" print error 11 years ago and was hazed on Net54 for raising the issue. I hope you squirreled away a few dozen!

+1

Mountaineer1999 · #45 03-27-2015, 04:00 PM

Cards that were selling for $20-50 for years are now all of a sudden be offered up for $5K. To answer the original post; yes the world has gone mad.

arc2q · #46 03-27-2015, 05:41 PM

I have a much sought after Piedmont Simon Nicholls missing the T and H in "The Cigarette of Quality."

All joking aside, this was the first T206 I bought as a teenager in 1986 for $2. I'm the one who put the tape on the back because I stuck it in my keepsake scrapbook. Kids...

bnorth · #47 03-27-2015, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Cards that were selling for $20-50 for years are now all of a sudden be offered up for $5K. To answer the original post; yes the world has gone mad.

Like said in a earlier post all it take is a couple people hyping them up and pretty soon people think they got to have them.

I mainly collect error cards and have for 25+ years so I have seen this happen with error cards many many times. Sometimes the hype lasts a few years and sometimes it is very short lived.

As a avid 89 Fleer Bill Ripken collector I have seen the hype and crazy prices come and go several times on the same exact card. It truly amazes me but I have learned to buy them when the hype dies and sell when people just gotta have them.

To keep in the T206 card discussion. It was not that long ago that top/bottom name cards pulled a premium. Now not so much.

xplainer · #48 03-27-2015, 07:22 PM

I agree with the above post. While new here, I've collected cards for almost 40 years. And I've seen the same thing happen with modern cards.
Ripken is a fine example. 1989 Leiter is another.
Some fools will spend a lot of money, some will make a lot of money, but it will level back off to where it should be. Hold your guns - unless selling.

atx840 · #49 03-28-2015, 11:35 AM

Pretty neat variant.

While checking for these (had one but long gone now

) I noticed a decent plate scratch. Pat R, you up to the challenge of tracking these

Pat R · #50 03-28-2015, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atx840

Pretty neat variant.

While checking for these (had one but long gone now

) I noticed a decent plate scratch. Pat R, you up to the challenge of tracking these

Good to see you back Chris, Hope all is well with you.

Jantz has scans of a handful of these. If I remember right they all were
pretty much straight vertical marks.