Is this Babe Ruth rounding the plate?

[Leon]

Just making sure I think it is what I think it is .....thanks to all who vote... And ideas as to who his teammate is would be nice also?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Baseball-New...vip=true&rt=nc




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[brianp-beme]

That is unmistakably Babe's body. And by the way, the player on left is Joe Jackson, while the catcher is no less than Addie Joss in one of the rare games he donned the 'tools of ignorance' after his death.

Brian

[sdkammeyer]

I don't think there is much question .... that's the Babe touching home. I have no clue who the team mate is .... I'm sure there is some "bum fan" out there who knows though

COOL PIC!!

[nolemmings]

I would guess Tony Lazzeri as the teammate

[Jlighter]

Dam, that's an awesome card and yeah its the Babe. You got a great deal.

[brickyardkennedy]

Certainly Ruth. I'd guess the other Yankee is Gehrig. Not only because he followed Ruth in the batting order, but because of the guy's behind. One of Lou's nicknames was, "biscuit pants", because of his "broad back porch".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brickyardkennedy

Certainly Ruth. I'd guess the other Yankee is Gehrig. Not only because he followed Ruth in the batting order, but because of the guy's behind. One of Lou's nicknames was, "biscuit pants", because of his "broad back porch".

I hadn't heard that bit of trivia but I did think it looked like Gehrig, from some other photos I have seen of him. It's like he is telling whomever is coming to slide...

[Prof_Plum]

Gotta be Babe.

I know it happens a lot but am still amazed at the bumping/sniping at the end of some auctions. $40 - $256 in 10sec.

[EvilKing00]

is is 100% babe ruth, as for the other guy, I dont think its gherig, as ruth and he are looking at the play continue, Prob Gherig sliding into 2ed, as looks like they are looking in the direction of 2b.

Hard to make a guess cause we dont know the exact year, but it would be the 5or 6 hitter in the line up.

Random guess - Meusel (if it was 1922)

I think this is a pic of him with babe too

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...4Q9QEwCg&dur=0

[DaveW]

Definitely Babe Ruth wearing one of the new tight fitting jerseys - always the trend setter.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Prof_Plum

Gotta be Babe.

I know it happens a lot but am still amazed at the bumping/sniping at the end of some auctions. $40 - $256 in 10sec.

I sort of thought I would get a great deal...turns out it was probably only a good deal Still happy, and even though I have a cool one from the series I am going to keep this one too...And I think this example (below) is such a great shot...I just love it and haven't seen another like it. I paid 4x of this other one on ebay but still am super happy with it, regardless of price. And here also is a 1927 NY Times of this shot too....

[Brendan]

Well, it's pretty clearly Babe rounding the plate. There's not much of an argument on that one.

The guy telling Meusel or Gehrig to slide is Tony Lazzeri. His skin color and body type is identical to Lazzeri's, as well as his height in comparison to Ruth. It's possible it's Meusel, but the guy on deck doesn't look a thing like him, so I highly doubt it.

In regards to the guy on deck being Gehrig, no way- while I see the resemblance, whoever is on deck is telling the runner coming in to slide. Since Gehrig batted after Ruth and Gehrig can't be in two places at once, Gehrig's out of the question.

[rjackson44]

wow leon dont know how you do it

[Runscott]

Unless it was a weird lineup that day, Gehrig wouldn't have scored in front of Ruth, and unless Ruth hit a home run, Gehrig wouldn't be standing near home plate. And if Ruth DID just hit a home run, that guy next to the plate wouldn't be gesturing the way he is.

I think Meusel just knocked in Ruth and that's Lazzeri standing next to the plate.

[glchen]

That's a great buy. Here is card #116 in that set (to Leon's #117), which I got for considerably more than Leon paid for his.

[Paul S]

If that was Gehrig on deck there'a a good chance he might "signal" with his left hand.

[brickyardkennedy]

It's conceivable that might be Gehrig. Early on in his career, he batted sixth. Going by the theory that the on deck batter is signaling a base runner, nless Ruth was batting fifth, that could be Lou.

"Batting sixth, behind Ruth and Bob Meusel, Gehrig went 3-for-5 with a double in his first game at first base that season"

From:

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ccdffd4c

MANY paragraphs, down.

[mikemcgrail]

Babe all the way ... I'd guess Gehrig on the other player

Now I REALLY need to start asking my Portuguese friends over here some questions about small pieces of cardboard!

Mike McGrail

[DaveW]

OK, probably Lazzeri, but are there any ideas on who the catcher might be?

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by Paul S

If that was Gehrig on deck there'a a good chance he might "signal" with his left hand.

Not necessarily. The correct hand to signal with would be the right hand (or just both), because it's more visible to the runner. It's conceivable that the on deck batter would be aware of this.

Originally Posted by brickyardkennedy

It's conceivable that might be Gehrig. Early on in his career, he batted sixth. Going by the theory that the on deck batter is signaling a base runner, nless Ruth was batting fifth, that could be Lou.

"Batting sixth, behind Ruth and Bob Meusel, Gehrig went 3-for-5 with a double in his first game at first base that season"

From:

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ccdffd4c

MANY paragraphs, down.

Well, then I guess it is a possibility. Heck, it's even a possibility that the guy is actually the first or second hitter who already scored. My money's still on Lazzeri, though.

[nolemmings]

Color me different, but I don't think it looks remotely like Lou Gehrig--too small. I thought exactly like Scott--Meusel knocked in Ruth. It looked to me as if Meusel is trying to stretch his hit into a double, and the question is whether Gehrig was on base heading to third or had he already made an out. The guy in the batter's box looked like Poosh 'em up to me right away, at least much more than Meusel, although I suppose it's conceivable it is Joe Dugan.

I thought this card set and the Tabacalera La Morena one like it were issued in 1928 or 1929. If so this was during the Murderer's Row years and the pic likely would have them from a game where they batted in their famed order of Ruth, Gehrig, Meusel and Lazzeri.

[packs]

I don't think that's Gehrig. Even if he just picked up the bat that was in the batters box and isn't the batter, he's holding the bat in his left hand. If it were a left handed batter, they'd most likely be holding the bat in their right hand. A right handed batter would hold the bat with his left hand like that.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think that's Gehrig. Even if he just picked up the bat that was in the batters box and isn't the batter, he's holding the bat in his left hand. If it were a left handed batter, they'd most likely be holding the bat in their right hand. A right handed batter would hold the bat with his left hand like that.

I am left handed and I would be holding the bat the way that guy is right now in the photo. I don't know who it is and wasn't getting the card for him, obviously. I do appreciate the discussion and feedback. It keeps things interesting anyway.

[packs]

Everyone's different. As a right handed hitter my left hand is my lead hand, so if I were to hold a bat with one hand, it would be my left. Same as when I pick up a golf club. I feel like it would be weird holding the bat in my right hand. I mean, you swing with your left arm as a righty. The bat feels most comfortable there.

[HercDriver]

I'm definitely among the "not Gehrig" crowd. I don't think it looks even remotely like him. Maybe Flavius was at the game as a kid...he still might have the scorecard.

Take Care,
Geno

[Runscott]

Porous Flavius Idioticus Moronicus Maximus. He retained his youth better than most.

[frankbmd]

The two teams opened the season in 1927 in New York. Cobb was with the As. (shown in the other card and played both days)

On opening day, Ruth did not score. Cochrane was the catcher.

The next day, Ruth scored in the 4th on a Gehrig triple. On deck would be Meusel. Ruth also scored in the 6th followed by Gehrig on a Lazzeri single.
On deck batter would be Dugan, perhaps signaling to Gehrig to slide. Catcher in this game for Philly was Perkins.

My Conclusion
6th inning Game 2 1927
Runner = Ruth
On Deck = Dugan
Catcher = Perkins

[packs]

Meusel and Dugan were both right handed as well.

[HercDriver]

Nicely done, Frank!!

Geno

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by packs

Everyone's different. As a right handed hitter my left hand is my lead hand, so if I were to hold a bat with one hand, it would be my left. Same as when I pick up a golf club. I feel like it would be weird holding the bat in my right hand. I mean, you swing with your left arm as a righty. The bat feels most comfortable there.

I'm 100% left handed, but batted both for a period.. I had to think about it for a bit, but if I were to hold the bat one handed, I would always use the lead hand.. left when batting righty, right when batting lefty (even though I'm left hand dominant).

To Add: if those play by plays are for real, that's pretty impressive!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

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To Add: if those play by plays are for real, that's pretty impressive!

I was there, both days.

[Exhibitman]

Great card; definitely Ruth.

I am going to opine that the set is a 1928 or 1929 issue because some of the soccer cards in the set I've seen thus far reference Uruguay's 1928 Olympic win but not their 1930 World Cup win.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Brendan

Not necessarily. The correct hand to signal with would be the right hand (or just both), because it's more visible to the runner. It's conceivable that the on deck batter would be aware of this..

That also came to mind, as I am a southpaw but do many things with the other having grown up in a righty world. In spelling, the analogy would be " i before e except after c but not always".

[Jlighter]

I wonder who voted it isn't Babe Ruth. Perhaps they want to voice their opinion?

[ullmandds]

they must have thought it was kirby puckett...or tony gwynn...or john kruk?

[brickyardkennedy]

Originally Posted by HercDriver

Nicely done, Frank!!

Geno

Second that.

[T205 GB]

I happened on this and hoped to snag it for cheap. I was and unlucky underbidder. Another great snag Leon

[CardsFan999]

Ruth scoring, Possibly Lazerri or Meusel signalling Gehrig to hit the dirt at third.

[Jeff Alcorn]

Hi Guys,

One thing to note is that on card #117 the Yankees are wearing their road uniforms from 1927-1930. On card #105, both Ruth and Cobb are wearing 1927 home uniforms, so I am not sure where or under what circumstances that picture was taken.

On card #117 the catcher's uniform could possibly be the Athletics in '28, '29' or '30, the Tigers in '30, the Senators in '27 (sock stripes look too far apart, though), or the Cardinals in the 1928 World Series. Adam makes an excellent point about Uruguay's soccer team, so my guess is that the picture is either from the 1928 World Series @ St. Louis, or a 1929 game against the Athletics @ Philadelphia since the stripes on the catcher's socks match up best with the 1928 Cardinals or the 1929 Athletics.

Hope that helps, very interesting card.

Jeff

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Jeff Alcorn

Hi Guys,

One thing to note is that on card #117 the Yankees are wearing their road uniforms from 1927-1930. On card #105, both Ruth and Cobb are wearing 1927 home uniforms, so I am not sure where or under what circumstances that picture was taken.

On card #117 the catcher's uniform could possibly be the Athletics in '28, '29' or '30, the Tigers in '30, the Senators in '27 (sock stripes look too far apart, though), or the Cardinals in the 1928 World Series. Adam makes an excellent point about Uruguay's soccer team, so my guess is that the picture is either from the 1928 World Series @ St. Louis, or a 1929 game against the Athletics @ Philadelphia since the stripes on the catcher's socks match up best with the 1928 Cardinals or the 1929 Athletics.

Hope that helps, very interesting card.

Jeff

Jeff has indeed thrust a spear through the heart of my argument.
I assumed incorrectly that the YANKEES on the front of Babe's uniform indicated a home uniform, but the home uniforms in 1927 were pinstripes without lettering on the front and the road unis said YANKEES on the front. Despite the favorable feedback, I have erred. (first time ).

Back to the book. The scores of the opening day games in 1927 and in 1928 were identical New York 8 and Philadelphia 3. However in 1928 the game was played in Philly. On that day Babe scored 3 times, but alas the play-by-play of that game is not available on retrosheet, my source for the previous supposition.

Ruth scored three times without a home run that day. He was followed in the line up by Gehrig, Meusel, Dugan and Durocher. Gehrig, Meusel & Durocher each had 2 RBIs. On deck batter would therefore likely be Meusel or Dugan. Since Dugan did not have an RBI, Dourocher is eliminated. Collins followed Durocher and would technically also be possible. There were no home runs in the game, so a runner following Ruth is possible accounting for the positioning of the on deck batter.

The catching duties for Philly that day (4/11/28) were split between Cochrane who batted once and Foxx who batted 3 times.

In the second and last game in Philly in that series, Ruth did not score.

So based on the uniform correction, which seems valid, and assuming the pictures were take early in the year of 1928, I would suggest the possibility of

April 11, 1928
Runner = Ruth
On Deck = Meusel or Dugan or Collins
Catcher = Cochrane or Foxx

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Prof_Plum

... am still amazed at the bumping/sniping at the end of some auctions. $40 - $256 in 10sec.

I never bid on an auction until there are less than 10 seconds left.

The only exceptions are for items that :

a - I know I want
b - have a low starting bid
c - nobody has bid on, yet
d - I know will go for considerably more than the opening bid

If all of those criteria are met, I will open the bidding with the minimum. Kind of a place-mark bid.

Doug


PS - definitely the Babe.

[GehrigFan]

Darn you Leon - I wanted that card! It matches my Tabacalera La Morena!

We actually had a thread a coupe years ago on here that I started, but mine was whether or not it was Gehrig on the card. To me, it was just obvious that it was Ruth coming over the plate, but I was just hoping it was Gehrig on deck.

For what it's worth, BVG would indeed identify this as Ruth, but not as Ruth/Gehrig.

Mark

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

Darn you Leon - I wanted that card! It matches my Tabacalera La Morena!

We actually had a thread a coupe years ago on here that I started, but mine was whether or not it was Gehrig on the card. To me, it was just obvious that it was Ruth coming over the plate, but I was just hoping it was Gehrig on deck.

For what it's worth, BVG would indeed identify this as Ruth, but not as Ruth/Gehrig.

Mark

Sorry about that Mark. I thought it was neat too and quite undervalued. All is fair in love and sniping I guess. Yeah, I wouldn't expect the Gehrig designation. Talk to ya' soon.

[brickyardkennedy]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

Darn you Leon - I wanted that card! It matches my Tabacalera La Morena!

We actually had a thread a coupe years ago on here that I started, but mine was whether or not it was Gehrig on the card. To me, it was just obvious that it was Ruth coming over the plate, but I was just hoping it was Gehrig on deck.

For what it's worth, BVG would indeed identify this as Ruth, but not as Ruth/Gehrig.

Mark

Says right on the back of the card - "Team New York Yankees against Cards", en espanol. Thus - 1928 World Series.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

is is 100% babe ruth, as for the other guy, I dont think its gherig, as ruth and he are looking at the play continue, Prob Gherig sliding into 2ed, as looks like they are looking in the direction of 2b.

Hard to make a guess cause we dont know the exact year, but it would be the 5or 6 hitter in the line up.

Random guess - Meusel (if it was 1922)

I think this is a pic of him with babe too

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...4Q9QEwCg&dur=0

didn't Gerhig bat after Ruth in the lineup that was called "murderers row"