dw293060 Scammer / Troll... Be Smart

[Leon]

So this id registered, actually crawled under the crack in the door 2 days ago, and has 0 posts. Yet a member sent him money, per a PM today, a day or two ago with no references or checking with me or anything. Really? 0 posts and registered 1 day ago? You folks have to be smarter than this. I hate to keep talking about it but unfortunately members are still getting taken. I am not sure what to say BUT always check with me on a low post count or new member when doing a deal. I can at least pick up the phone and have a chat....and as for this one, there is no registration info of course. Please be careful. Just because they are on the BST doesn't mean they aren't a scammer.

Even Carey looks kind of flabbergasted.

[Foo3112]

Leon, just a thought - but perhaps you can do something like "verified member" or a little green check mark next to their name. Something that will show without doubt that that person can be trusted and has had zero issues. Perhaps newer members can have yellow which would show more like "caution" to imply that they are new or have not done enough deals yet.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Foo3112

Leon, just a thought - but perhaps you can do something like "verified member" or a little green check mark next to their name. Something that will show without doubt that that person can be trusted and has had zero issues. Perhaps newer members can have yellow which would show more like "caution" to imply that they are new or have not done enough deals yet.

That sounds like a management nightmare without the s/w to do it. And I don't think this version of Vbulletin can do it. And the upgrade would be a large situation. The forum has been cruising for over 20 yrs. No matter what is in place someone can get scammed. Members just need to be smart or they will learn the hard way. One can't blindly do things involving money. I generally answer pm's very quickly.
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[JimC]

Leon, perhaps Max has that look on his face because he's searching for a new home just sayin . . .

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by JimC

Leon, perhaps Max has that look on his face because he's searching for a new home just sayin . . .

You know what? I love this forum, including the B/S/Ts. I will be the first to admit I am not playing with all 52, but why not take Leon's advice here?

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Foo3112

Leon, just a thought - but perhaps you can do something like "verified member" or a little green check mark next to their name. Something that will show without doubt that that person can be trusted and has had zero issues. Perhaps newer members can have yellow which would show more like "caution" to imply that they are new or have not done enough deals yet.

I've been on forums where longtime members have gone bad. It happens. Green checkmarks or whatever will not change that.

Protecting yourself is your responsibility, not anyone else's

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I've been on forums where longtime members have gone bad. It happens. Green checkmarks or whatever will not change that.

Protecting yourself is your responsibility, not anyone else's

Agreed and all we can do is try our best and use the resources one this forum as best we can

But overall had so many great experiences here

[Smarti5051]

As a newbie that recently completed three F&F purchases on the site (all went amazingly well), it is a little challenging figuring out when you can trust another member you don't know anything about. But, what worked for me was to search prior posts by those users. If they have a history of selling valuable cards more than a month ago (ie they sold a Jackie Robinson for $4000 in December), then I figure they must have followed through or there would be some evidence in the subsequent posts that things went awry. If you can't find any older history of the member selling successfully on site, I think any honest member would find it reasonable to not request F&F to pay.

[swarmee]

Remember, F&F is for people who are friends or family to gift each other money. Using it other ways has gotten people locked out of their PayPal accounts, and all their funds confiscated for violations of TOS. I expect it to get even worse this year with the additional 1099 reporting requirements from the IRS.

Is that really worth the 3% fee you pay for Goods and Services?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JimC

Leon, perhaps Max has that look on his face because he's searching for a new home just sayin . . .

His home is in my type collection

And a card. We don't see enough 19th century stuff around here!

[doug.goodman]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I've been on forums where longtime members have gone bad. It happens. Green checkmarks or whatever will not change that.

Protecting yourself is your responsibility, not anyone else's

The first rule of buying is caveat emptor. The second rule is don't forget the first rule.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Remember, F&F is for people who are friends or family to gift each other money. Using it other ways has gotten people locked out of their PayPal accounts, and all their funds confiscated for violations of TOS. I expect it to get even worse this year with the additional 1099 reporting requirements from the IRS.

Is that really worth the 3% fee you pay for Goods and Services?

It also removes all buyer protections since, by using it, you're telling PayPal you're not buying anything.

[rugbymarine]

Originally Posted by Smarti5051

As a newbie that recently completed three F&F purchases on the site (all went amazingly well), it is a little challenging figuring out when you can trust another member you don't know anything about. But, what worked for me was to search prior posts by those users. If they have a history of selling valuable cards more than a month ago (ie they sold a Jackie Robinson for $4000 in December), then I figure they must have followed through or there would be some evidence in the subsequent posts that things went awry. If you can't find any older history of the member selling successfully on site, I think any honest member would find it reasonable to not request F&F to pay.

THIS!

A dozen mouse clicks can probably give you 98% confidence that the person is (or is not) legit. If that doesn't work, send a PM. Either to Leon, or to someone who they had completed a deal with. I employ this strategy on card-collecting FB groups as well. FB groups make me way more nervous. If I'm interested in something, I search any past transactions and send out as many private messages as I need to to feel better about sending money to a stranger. "Hey how was this transaction?"..."Did they package well?"..."Did they communicate in the time between you sending $$ and the card arriving?"

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The first rule of buying is caveat emptor. The second rule is don't forget the first rule.

I like this!

"Third rule: You idiot!...There's only two rules! Read them again"
LoL

[bmattioli]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The first rule of buying is caveat emptor. The second rule is don't forget the first rule.

PayPal Goods and Services.. absolutely NO Friends and Family..

[Leon]

Another scammer today over on the BST...no posts and registered in the last 2 days. It seems they are almost daily now....Yawl be real careful and please keep pm'ing me.
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