T206 GhostBusters

[Blunder19]

Hunting for T206 ghost images with players on the BACK is no easy feat.
I felt very lucky to pick this example up

Since there is hardly any information on known examples (2 Chances, 2 Weimers, 1 Starr, 1 Gilbert, 1 Cy Young, 1 Becker) I was wondering if anyone can help add to that number of known examples with ones they may have in their collection.

Also any idea on how these images on the backs got there? I know you t206 ghostbusters like to keep to yourselves.. but any info on these cards is much appreciated..

Thanks
Jamie
"I aint fraid of no ghost"

[Ease]

Fantastic card!

[4815162342]

Great card Jamie; thanks for sharing!

[mrvster]

Jamie

You did it!....sweet card Great addition, just wish it was in mine
My theory a sheet or two erronously printed first step negatively on backs, fronts were printed, then finished with the back ads....iggy and a few other might take a stab, but these are some of the more dramatic errors that weren't printers scrap and actually made it to packs, 150 series most affected due to the learning curve i assume....either way, they are super cool cards, and as you know, super super rare!! and in there own special catagory, a "t206 of it's own" if you will....only a few examples of the players are known to exist, and these are some of the coolest t206 s around Your done Jamie, the monster has you by the sxxk!!LOL
here's my weimer , THanks Dan A.!!

peace

[steve B]

They're "offset transfers" With ink that isn't quite dry and enough pressure the wet ink on the front will transfer to the back whatever is on top of it.

I used to be pretty impressed with them, and they're still impressive, but I had a 100+ year old item printed in black on a similar cardstock to T206s transfer to another item while in the mail between the UK and US. I've learned a bit more about the formulation of inks back then, especially black.

It's possible these and the Tolstoi transfers didn't happen during production.

Are they all P150? if they are that would be pretty convincing that it was during production.

Steve B

[Ladder7]

Jamie, You didn't want the Gilbert for 2K then?.. Ok, I'll store it back in the safe.

Nice Chance btw

[t206hound]

Jamie, you've got to send that card to SGC and get it slabbed with the ghost on front like the Weimer!

[atx840]

Originally Posted by t206hound

Jamie, you've got to send that card to SGC and get it slabbed with the ghost on front like the Weimer!

+1 - Very nice pickup!

Bad scan of someone else's Heinie Smith

[Leon]

Now shown 1.2 millions times.............SGC re-holdered this one with the back of the card being displayed as the front....Young ghost and then some

[Jason]

Great cards all around.I want one!

[t206hound]

Here's a link to a previous thread that has scans of additional T206s with the player ghosts...
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135107

[mrvster]

Steve!!

too detailed are the images....they are clearly under - printed as i can tell....all piedy 150.....someone screwed up early!!! , production was still super young..... these examples are "overprints".....a little different than the "wet transfers".....obverse printed with the reverse, then back ads printed....


super rare...a handful in existence....i have seen the other weimer...please post if anymore of these overprints someone has one, please!!...

all examples need to be sgc holdered, no other company compares..
gilbert needs to come home to popa steve!!!!

he wants to be with me.....


peace

[steve B]

The mirror image says offset transfer. If it's under the back printing then it's factory. The level of detail doesn't matter, as the original lithography is a transfer from plate to blanket to paper. A detailed offset transfer would usually be fresh ink, before any drying.

The level of detail is impressive. There's only a few ways for that to happen.

Lots of weight on the stack of sheets right after printing of the black.
The sheet gets caught and wraps around the blanket so it gets printed directly from the plate.
A double feed where two sheets feed at once while the next color is being printed.

The last one is very unlikely as it would mean they were rushing to print the next step and didn't allow drying time. Poor practice, and since black is printed last it would have had to have happened while the backs were being printed.


And for a real long shot- One I'd have a hard time believing for a number of technical reasons - If they were printed from stones, it's possible to pull a proof directly from the stone. Which would be mirror image, but should also be on the coated side of the stock. And in general only one sheet would be done and in a different part of the plant. I'd have a hard time believing that a proof pulled from the stone in either the department that prepared the stones or a proofing department would end up in production.

I'd Love to see a big high res scan of one.


Very cool cards either way, and if all P150 they might answer some questions about the makeup of the sheets.


Steve B

[aquarius31]

These are super examples. Here's the one I have....somewhat faint but nicer in person : )

[Blunder19]

In Honor of the new Ghostbusters movie coming out.. i thought we could revive this thread...

Post your Ghosts!!!

[Jobu]

Not a T206, but my only full back ghost.

[atx840]

Love it Bryan!

[Luke]

I've got another of the P150s:

[Jobu]

It is faint (let's say "spookier"), but there is a weak cylindrical transfer ghost on Bradley too.

[Bigb13]

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[Bigb13]

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