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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Wesley
I think we tried to do something similar in the past. Beckett chose ten cards based on their "historical significance and their standing in the hobby." Five of the ten selected are prewar cards. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Wesley
By the way.....I just stumbled on the Beckett site by accident. I don't really read Beckett or look at the Beckett website. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Mark
Here's a similar list which overlaps with respect to 6/10 cards (funny that they have the wrong Ruth card pictured): |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: James Feagin
A 2005 Bowman card of a rookie, a 1/1, just sold for $4000. Hmmmm would I want a 2005 Bowman rookie card or 2 nice 1933 Ruths? Hmmmmmmmm |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: DJ
Sick ain't it? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
I certainly disagree with the Lajoie, a tribute card issued lord knows how long after he retired. Yes, I know it is scarce, but so what? I would put in the 34 yellow Gehrig in its place, or a Cobb. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Anson
I don't really have any problems with the list on a historical significance level. But, it turns my stomach a bit to see Ken Griffey Jr. on the same list as Wags and Ruth. Rose's rookie is a bit questionable. Also, where's Cobb in regards to the Beckett list? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Peter: |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Of course I would, but I thought we were only discussing prewar. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Steve Dawson
Once again, Henry Aaron gets no respect. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Speaking of which wasn't Willie Mays a pretty good post-war player? The 89 Griffey I understand their rationale, it is symbolic of the whole generation of premium priced cards that started with 89 Upper Deck. The Rose rookie is questionable, why does it have iconic status any more than a Mays or Aaron or Koufax rookie? The Ryan rookie is even more dubious, it is as overrated as Ryan himself. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Mike M
I think the '48 Leaf Jackie Robinson card needs to be on the list. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
I have no problem with the Rose,Ryan or Griffey because while i was collecting and reading beckett all of those cards were top card for a long time.When Rose was nearing the hits record that was definitely the most popular card going at the time. Same thing for Ryan when he went for 300 wins and then set K's record,that card was on top.Griffey upper deck rookie was extremely popular for a long long time so i couldve guessed that card if i didnt see the list.I Probably wouldve guessed it 3rd behind Wagner and Mantle,that card was a big deal. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
As someone who collects sets from the 50s - 70s, you can't tell me that the Ryan, Rose or Griffey rookies belong. The 56 Mantle -- the happy, triple crown looking Mantle belongs before either of them. So does the 55 Koufax and 54 Aaron. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: DJ
This list isn't about visually appealing cards, cards of value or "great cards" but cards that are significant. Cards that have perhaps impacted the way we collect. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
did you even read their reason on how they chose the cards.How popular was beckett in the 50s when those came out that you mentioned.Their choices of 63 Rose,68 Ryan and 89 Griffey were well thought out and definitely the right choice no matter what you collect.Where were you when those cards were the hot topic every month for years? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: scgaynor
Somebody mentioned it above, but the 1984 Donruss Mattingly belongs on the list. It was the first card to break $100 within 3 years of its release. The frenzy over this card in the mid-1980s was unreal and it brought alot of investors into the hobby. |
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Posted By: Anson
Did someone say John Littlefield error? Or how about the original Donruss Elite insert Cal Ripken from 91? |
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Posted By: Josh K.
I think i should have sold mine - how much is that 84 donruss mattingly worth today. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: DJ
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: jay behrens
Here is the the original Baseball Card Hall of Fame that died a slow death due to lack of interest. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: scgaynor
I would add the 1991 Ripken as the first real insert card and the 1981 Fleer Craig Nettles as the first major error card. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: steve k
"historical significance and their standing in the hobby." |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Let's replace the Ryan and Griffey cards. After all, these two |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Steve Dawson
Actually Scott, I would argue that the 1974 Washington NL cards were the first "major" error cards. They were huge in the mid-to-late '70s. Also, the 1979 Bump Wills Toronto Blue Jay (and Texas Ranger correction) card was huge when it came out. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Mark
What happened to the new n54 Hall of Fame where we compile the best 100 or so cards owned by members? Did it die a fast death? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: scgaynor
Steve, you are right, I was thinking of the Nettles since the others didn't really get that valuable and because of the frenzy that took off about that time. I don't think that the Washington variations were ever worth more than a few dollars (Except McCovey) and the Wills was worth about $7-8 at its peak. I seem to remember the Nettles being in the $25-30 range for awhile. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Rob
I think you could get a Ruth-signed baseball for about the same price or a little more. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Chad
That's a great card, as well as the Pop Lloyd. I'd say the Cabanas Pete Hill, but I think it's too obscure to be on the list. The Billiken's, tho, are a beautful set and rare. Also, as a child of the 80's, where's the famous Billy Ripken card? That's the Holy Grail for a whole generation of collectors. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Rich Klein
I forwarded this thread to our baseball magazine editor who was very impressed and asked if we could use some of these comments in our readers write area. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: dstudeba
I agree with the inclusion of Rose and Griffey as significant cards. Wasn't the Rose the first card to be counterfieted in any great amount? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The first real reprinted card was the 1959 Fleer Ted Williams |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Chris Counts
The very first line from an article about the "Hall" on the Beckett web site says it all ... |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: cn
I remember in 1977 when Burger King produced a Yankee set and the Boss was not happy that Lou Piniella was not included and had a fit. B.K. printed the card late as a short print and collectors were gobbling burgers did get the rare Piniella. At card shows the card was going for about $50. This was more than most vintage stars. I am glad I stuck to Cobb and Mathewson which at the time was about the same price. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, but the Griffey UD rookie card is so important!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: jay behrens
They've only picked 10 cards so far. You act like they should have covered the full spectrum of cards. It just can't be done in 10 cards. I actually have more problems with their vintage selections than I do the modern ones. I drop the m101 Ruth and CJ Jax. Yeah, they are hot cards today, but that hasn't always been the case. I'd replace them with the t206 Plank and Magie. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
Jeff did you collect newer cards in the 80s and 90s,if not you have no idea of the popularity of the Griffey.If you did then you must be bitter about not getting one and pretending to diminish its importance to make the cards you collect more seminal. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Julie
Hasve the '84 Fleer Updates lost their appeal? Clemens is a rather important guy, for all time, no? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
The 84 fleer updates skyrocketed in price before they had a chance to become popular unlike mosr cards which start low and go high based on popularity not rarity.I know when i was a kid and found out about the 84 Fleer Update prices/rarity it wasnt possible for me to buy one at anytime.I wouldve had to wait for 10 years before i could afford a Clemens,Gooden or Puckett. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jay Miller
Remember the reason for these surveys in magazines--to get people to search for and acquire these cards--good for the advertisers in the magazines. With maybe a few exceptions these are not great cards, just available good cards. Take for example the M101-4/5 Ruth. Five years ago these cards were easy to pick up for a few thousand dollars. They are not scarce--they are available. However, the price has been driven through the roof by dealers and auction houses hyping the card. The Baltimore News Ruth is a great card; the M101 Ruth is a good card. However, there is little reason to hype the Baltimore News Ruth since there are so few out there (you only hype what you can acquire and profitably sell). Anson in uniform is a great card, Kelly Four Base Hits is a great card, Ewing Kalamazoo Bats is a great card, Just So Young is a great card. Where are these cards on the list? Nowhere--no reason to hype them. Personally, I think the list is a joke. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: DJ
There is no way that this list is to search for and acquire these cards. The list is about cards that have played a role in shaping the collecting society. No way did a Ewing Kalamazoo Bat card ever do so and I don't think Andy Madec is getting five hundred phone calls if this card was on the list. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Actually John, I did collect nearly every new set that has come out since 1976 -- and that included the Griffey rookie card. I can tell you now that I have gotten over my bitterness of only collecting the one that still sits in my unopened box from 1989. It hasn't been easy. Many years of analysis and 12 step programs have allowed me to work through this trauma. Unlike you, I suppose I wasn't completely wowed by a rookie card from that era no matter how seminal it may have been. Same goes with the McGwire rookie card. It was nice but not quite as compelling as cards of people that actually hit more than 49 homeruns in their career. The fact is, while the card may have been hot during that period, it never approached any kind of signidficant dollar value. While I contemplated trading my mint Griffey rookie for a new Camaro, I resisted -- and look how lucky I was because that car now is probably worth much less than my baseball card. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
The Griffey rookie never reached any significant value? Well you must be able to get over your supposed trauma with your vast wealth because theyve sold for over $3000 .I almost felt sorry for you up until i found out money is no object to you,must be nice.I also dont believe you collected cards during that era otherwise we wouldve never had this discussion unless you walked into card stores on the day new sets came out with pieces of card board taped to your face to block your peripheral vision and said "I need the new sets,dont let me see anything else tho or ill walk right out". If you did that then i believe your story, otherwise go pick up that July beckett i mentioned(i wouldve sent you money to buy one but its obvious you dont need it) and read it then comment back. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Bryan
As I look at Beckett's top 10 list immediately the 1989 Upper Deck Griffey gets my attention. I started collecting in 1987 as so many others did and the 1989 UD Griffey was the first "big money" card I can remember. That was the card my friends and I aspired to get. I never did get one. I do remember pulling a 1990 UD Griffey out of a pack and thinking it was the greatest thing ever. As far as the other 9 cards on the list, at the time they were unattainable and therefore I didn't pay much attention to them. My card collecting focus has changed now and the other 9 are within reach but they lack what the 1989 UD Griffey has, the ability to bring back childhood memories. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Hey, John, relax. Sorry I have a lot more money to spend on cards than you do. Now who sounds bitter? Let me know if you need the phone numbers of the 12 step programs that I just mentioned. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: john/z28jd
Adam J? is that you? |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
No. Two differences. Adam J. actually had no money. Secondly, you accused me of having money to burn on this hobby instead of the other way around. Now spend less time on this board today and more time working 8 hours today like me and maybe you'll have some disposable income too. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: leon
I have no issue with debates. Let's keep Adam J's name out of our conversations, for the most part. I won't let folks talk about folks that can't defend themselves. IF we remember Adam has taken a vacation from our site until he calls me and we talk....take care and carry on... |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: DJ
Hey, I hate the stuff as much as you guys do but I give credit where credit is due. Remember, the Baseball Card boom took place in the 1980's, not 1880's. |
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Beckett's Baseball Card Hall of Fame
Posted By: Wesley
Anson in uniform, Kelly Four Base Hits, Ewing Kalamazoo Bats, Just So Young might all be great cards, but these cards had almost ZERO impact on this hobby. 99.9 percent of the participants in this hobby will not be able to identify any of these cards. 99.9 percent of the knowledgeable collectors on the Forum 54 have NEVER seen a photo of the Just So Young. Maybe it would be cool to have a list of ten obscure and esoteric 19th Century cards, but then the criteria would be different from that used by Beckett magazine. |
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