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Posted By: dan mckee
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Posted By: T206Collector
...is that it is a card irresponsibly created by PSA for use in its coffee table book and not intended for distribution. |
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Posted By: JimB
The card was not made by PSA. It is in collector hands. |
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Posted By: Scott Sarian
The fact that the cert # in the picture checks out on the PSA site as a legit card is disturbing, if in fact the card is as obvious of a fake as has been stated... |
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Posted By: T206Collector
"The card was not made by PSA. It is in collector hands." |
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Posted By: leon
Months ago I saw a scan of this and was informed about it by a confidential source. I am not an expert on the subject so will defer to those that are....regards |
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Posted By: barrysloate
It's one of those cards that on a first glance you say "that doesn't look right." |
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Posted By: Steve
Just another PSA mistake, why all the fuss? |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
The "Polar Bear" issue aside, can someone please explain to me where the typeset is off? Yes, I did read the full REA blog and I enlarged the PSA photo and put it next to the extra-large (and clear) image of the SGC Doyle REA provides on the blog a few posts down. I, for some reason, cannot pick up on the differences in text. It could be I'm just missing it but can someone show me where they are different? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'd like to know what happens at PSA when a high profile card like a Doyle NY NATL comes in. Does it just go through the same scrutiny any regular old card gets or do the graders (and Joe?) get together and discuss it before entombing it? |
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Posted By: peter ullman
Dan....good point...I've heard it said that every order is handled the same...how could it be? If it were my business...there'd be committee grading...to achieve better consistency...like diving...take the highest and lowest score and throw them away and avg the rest. It would be a special occasion where rare and special cards came in and I'd want everyone to see them and help evaluate...sounds like fun to me! |
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Posted By: Doug
I figure the head graders would be the ones to look at all the high dollar cards, but that's just a guess. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Peter is right there are 1000's of undiscovered T-206's out there....i bought over 400 undiscovered T-206's about 8 months ago and am currently looking at another collection of over 600 that have been stored away for over 90 years. All i can say is that i would like to have been in the tobacco business back at the turn of the century. |
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Posted By: CoreyRSh.anus
Something like this can put skilled forgers out of business. After all, isn't it pretty neat that if you're not good at that sort of thing, not only will your work pass muster, but it will be even more valuable than a deftly-done forgery because it will be perceived as a new variation? |
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Posted By: rand
i do not belong to the psa boards, i do not know what is protocal there. what i have heard is psa will screen the commments and remove any negative remarks against the company. this being said... will Orlando post a message with an answer about this card, mistake or not, will psa take responsibilty publicly????? |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Wow - I certainly see the difference now. |
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Posted By: Adam
Can someone crop in on just the "N.Y. NAT'L" parts of both cards above and post just that? I would do it myself if I knew how. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Recall our discussion about 2 months ago on this forum....... |
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Posted By: PC
Jon: I realize you answered your own question already, but (to state the obvious) the two problems with the PSA 6 Doyle font are: |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Adam, |
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Posted By: JK
If Im not mistaken, the difference is that each letter of NAT'L on the fake are the same sized caps, while on the original, the "N" is a larger sized cap while the "AT'L" are smaller caps. |
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Posted By: Adam
Wow, thanks Jim, that's clear as day and night now. |
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Posted By: JK
Isn't it ironic that this fake is prominently displayed in a coffee table book published by PSA? |
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Posted By: leon
How many vouchers will PSA have to give to fix this one? |
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Posted By: Jim VB
"I'd like to know what happens at PSA when a high profile card like a Doyle NY NATL comes in." |
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Posted By: PC
Jim: that is exactly what happens, except you left out the very first step, which is: |
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Posted By: JimB
"the $64000 question" |
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Posted By: Scot Reader
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Posted By: CoreyRSh.anus
I do remember that exchange. What has been added to the mix now (and IMO hilariously so) is the notion that instead of regarding a variation in the lettering as evidence of a fake, it is being used as evidence of the card being a newly-discovered version of an original! And all because PSA slabbed it! Maybe if those guys gave their blessing to GM and Ford stock, the whole auto crisis could have been avoided. |
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Posted By: Doug
Are any of these Doyle cards legit or are some just better fakes that actually got the lettering right? |
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Posted By: Mike
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Posted By: Scott B.
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Posted By: jdrum
"Polor" is an undiscovered (until now)variation of the Polar Bear back. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
COREY |
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Posted By: Rick McQuillan
Mike, this card is the rare "Polor" Bear back. This is almost as rare as the Peedmont and Sweaty Corporal backs. |
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Posted By: JimB
They need Barry to do some editing over there at T206 Museum. |
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Posted By: barry arnold
Oh,my... |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
"To say that a new "VARIATION" in the "Nat'l" lettering has been discovered to justify why this card was graded is sheer "B-S" ! !" |
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Posted By: Brian
non-official word from PSA regarding this card... "labeling error" |
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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Thanks for the SCANS guys, especially the close ups! Marty |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
It's ok... they only made one more little mistake. Let us be tolerant. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Sort of like Christmas in January for you, huh, Frank? |
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Posted By: dan mckee
As Jim said in the other post, go with grading, you know the card is legit and unaltered that way. PRICELESS |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Yes there are legit Doyle's |
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Posted By: MikeU
The interesting part is the thousands of dollars worth of self published books they have celebrating a fraudlent card. Do you toss the books or hope that only 1% of the hobby will know and understand and steam ahead with distribution with SMR renewals? |
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Posted By: Eric B
It has to be real. According to the article, it was originally graded a "5". then it got a "6" on a resubmit. So it passed by twice! |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Well put Eric, how could they have missed twice? and how can the same card be a different grade each time? Nevermind, I think I get it. |
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Posted By: judson hamlin
Every time I think "Gee, I should spend some of my hobby budget on getting my cards graded" instead of trusting my own judgment as far as condition and authenticity of raw cards, something like this comes along and reaffirms my faith in the whole grading scheme. Yup, those graders really have it all over me. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Man....I see Dan McKee is over this forum tonite. |
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