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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Paul
I finally used the information in Lew Lipset's encyclopedia to figure out what hear each of my Old Judges was issued in. The results are: |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Paul
Anyone? |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: jay behrens
Bueller...Bueller |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
and if those in the know tell you they would have to kill ya. But Adam Warshaw has a Boxing Guide for $43.85. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: john/z28jd
Yes Paul,its a secret.Im faxing over an application form to you now,just read it,agree to sign your life away if you share old judge secrets and sign it in blood and ill get those answers out to you. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Paul
Bueller? |
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Posted By: Julie
1887: 13 cards |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Why is it so difficult to get Old Judge information here? I asked a question a few weeks ago and got no answer. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Paul
From this extremely small sample, it looks like 1888s are a little tougher than 1887s and 1889s. I think it is fairly well known that 1890s are the toughest. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: leon
Knowledge is money sometimes. Often there is a reluctance of divulging information because many times it leads to more competition and/or higher prices. I doubt if this particular subject fits that category but many times, especially the old timers, just keep stuff to themselves.....Generally this board has been very good about education...and sometimes a question or subject doesn't get any responses for no apparent reason...Good luck in your quest..take care |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Joe_G.
In a broad sense, there are several reasons why many of the Old Judge questions go un-answered. Here are a few: |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Julie
1, 1887: all have a banner or something ABOVE the head of the player, center, left or right, that says "Old Judge Cigarettes" |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I counted mine and found: |
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Posted By: joe
Here are mine. |
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Posted By: Elliot
Hal, you better be getting rid of those '88's and '89's....they might not be rookie cards. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Elliot: |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I can offer the following to our growing body of skewed data: |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Scott Forrest
Check out the loc site - 100's of OJ images and you should be able to tell the year from the images. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Does anyone have a difinitive list of all known N172's anywhere? The SCD and Beckett guides that I have are not very helpful when it comes to different poses and how many are known of certain players. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
1887 - 14 |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: jay behrens
Dan, not sure anyone has a complete list, but those that do own something close to a complete list gaurd these with their lives. The tough variations and players are pretty well kept sercrets and they are not about to be made public until the people looking for these cards aquire them. OJs are expensive enough. If complete lists got out and people were able to better figure what is rare, prices would get even crazier, especially for the truely tough cards in the set. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Is there a sharing of information going on between the "bigtime" collectors of these cards? I wonder how difficult it would be to compile a list from all known sources. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Julie
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Theres a 1993 price guide from sports collectors digest that lists 99% of the poses variations,over 37 pages of cards listed for the set. Its called the 1887-1947 baseball card price guide. |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Good News! |
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Posted By: Joe_G.
Well I can exceed Julies total with Detroits but I still have one of the smaller collections. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
I haven't responded to this question so far, not because there was some undiscovered valuable information inherent in the answer, but because the concensus seemed to be heading to the correct answer and I wasn't going to add very much. My experience is that 1888 cards are somewhat more difficult to find than 1887 and 1889 cards. However, that in itself is not a very valuable piece of information. There are some very rare 1889 cards and some fairly common 1888 cards. Joe made the excellent point that using the term 1887 cards is somewhat of a misnomer because actually there were several different "1887" issues. Even more interesting to me, I believe the first N172s were actually produced in late 1886, not 1887. My reasoning--all Mets showed up as spotted ties in the "1887" script series. Dude Esterbrook was traded from the Giants to the Mets in the fall of 1886 yet he has no spotted tie. There are several other examples which can also be offered. Maybe this is a future article for Old Cardboard. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Hal if youre going to worry about the old judges years determining whether its a rookie or not,you have some t206s that are either labeled rookie wrong because of the series they are in but you actually have the rookie also or some like Chief Bender that just arent his rookie.The t206s were produced in 3 series over 3 years so some cards cant be the guys rookie if its a 460 series and he has a prior one. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
You're right... I can't get TOO techinical, or I will never be satisfied. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
And Jay ... you may want to "clarify" that you are ONLY talking about the N172 set as far as "first cards" and NOT counting the N167 set... |
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Posted By: HW
"3: 1890: All these cards say N.L., P.L. or--A.A.(?) after the player's city" |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Jay Miller
Hal and HW are both correct |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
This image shows that in the Old Judge 1888 cards, Jake Beckley was still shown with the St. Louis Whites (minor leagues)... |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: Joe_G.
Incorrect Hal, Beckley was issued four poses in 1888. One of them, Catch, hands held out neck high, shows him with both St. Louis Whites & Pittsburgh. Three of the four poses were re-issued in 1889 all showing him with Pittsburgh. |
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Posted By: Julie
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Posted By: Paul
If the 1890 cards don't all say "NL" or "PL", how do you tell if the card is from 1890? |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Go away, Joe G.... you're killing me! |
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Posted By: Andy Baran
The Comiskey is a Players League card due to the team designation |
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Scarcity of Old Judges by year
Posted By: john/z28jd
I was just able to count mine and i actually am the only person with more 1888 cards than 1889 cards.I had more 1887 cards than any others followed by 88,than 89 and 1 measly 1890 cards.Most of the 1888 cards i have are Pittsburgh(which i collected) and team type cards so that might explain the difference.Hope that helps confuse things a little,altho for your research id go with the consensus opinion |
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