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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Jay
It isn't often that I get to see SGC vs PSA first hand but I did recently and thought I'd share my observations. I brought a group of cards to the Greater Boston Show, some to be graded by SGC and some to be graded by PSA. My SGC submission was for 10 day service; my PSA submission was a special on "5" day service. As of today my SGC submission has been graded and I have received it back in the mail. My PSA submission has yet to finish grading. Seems to me that SGC underpromises and overdelivers and PSA, well you can figure that out. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: JK
Just one of the many benefits to using SGC. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: bamacollection
How many collectors are willing to pay the same premium for an SGC graded card as opposed to a PSA card in the same grade? |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: JimB
I sent a couple of submissions to SGC the week before last: one two-day and one five day. The two-day submission had grades posted and it was shipped after one day. The five day was done and shipped in four! Gotta appreciate that. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Jay
Lance--I think it depends on the type of card. I would always pay more for a vintage baseball card in an SGC holder. If I was working on a particular PSA registry set(for me non-sports and post war misc sports) I would pay more for the PSA card. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: barrysloate
Lance- I sell weekly on ebay, and do three catalog auctions a year. My results with SGC cards are equal to or better than PSA. Mind you, I'm not selling high grade registry cards, but for low and middle grade I think SGC has begun to pass PSA. There is simply more collector confidence. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: JK
I agree completely with Barry. I think for the collector grade material, sgc is comparable price-wise to psa. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Lance
I guess it's fair to assume that "collector grade" equates to 5's or less? I would love to do more with SGC, but it just doesn't seem anybody trusts or is willing to invest the same amount into the SGC 6's and above. I believe this board is 90%+ pro SGC, but I haven't read where anyone will state they would rather have a card graded 7 by SGC over a PSA 7. My experience is completely in the T206 & T205 sets. I dabble in others, but I still have alot to learn about the trends. When the vintage stuff hits EXMT, does it become "investment grade"? Is the price effected solely on publicity or are there too few collectors of high end SGC to create a competition for the cards? |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: barrysloate
Lance- in my last auction I had a T205 common in SGC 84 and it sold for $1100+. I don't know what a PSA 7 would sell for but I was hardly disappointed with the price, and the bidding on the last night was really strong. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Here's some higher-grade cards in SGC holders. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Lance
Al, |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: barrysloate
I think SGC cards will continue to stay strong and get stronger, but I don't think that high grade PSA cards will slip however. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Lance: |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Brian
Al, |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Anonymous
i'm the minority on the board... while i can say that SGC is very consistent and their cases look great... I prefer PSA. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Black-backed, Brian. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I believe it depends on the card issue as noted above. For the sets I collect, primarily prewar caramel in low/mid grade, SGC seems to sell for higher or at least similar prices compared to PSA. I typically will pay more for SGC graded cards as they seem to be more consistent for these issues. I have no problem with PSA cards and many reside in my collection, but for resale, I send cards to SGC to obtain a higher price. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Lance
Thank you all for the insight. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: JK
Lance, |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Jerry Hrechka
The majority of my collection consists of 30's & 40's "R" cards. SGC graded Non-Sports cards are few and far between. When they do come up I can usually buy them for substantially less than the equivalent PSA card. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Lee Behrens
I personally would never buy a PSA card 6 or higher with out seeing the card in person. I have seen way too many questionable cards in their high grade holders. In my set of expertise, T202's, it is like they never look at the back of the card. I would not hesitate to purchase or bid on a highgrade SGC card they have never given me reason to question the grade. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: T206Collector
...My T206 collection once had only PSA cards in it. When I decided to go with SGC I had 40 PSA cards crossed over--none were lower than PSA 3 and two or three were PSA 6. Most were PSA 5. Only 30 crossed over at the same or higher grade. The other ten were bounced because of trimming, creases/wrinkles and paperloss. My PSA 6 Chase Pink had a corner wrinkle that neither I nor PSA had seen. But SGC found it. I did not crack the cards prior to submission. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: boxingcardman
Here are some of the results from the 1951 Bowman Carter Collection auction that just finished on ebay live on 11/18: |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Jimmy
I was at the Boston show all weekend and PSA had more submissions come in then SGC. I do agree that PSA needs to keep up with orders and customer service needs to improve. The point is that PSA does more volume then SGC overall because they have other services. Graded cards for pre 1930 do well for SGC and always have and even some of the 1930s and 1940s cards are doing well. Keep in mind that both companies are doing better than expected and Beckett and GAI prices for vintage cards just keep dropping. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Fred C
First off, I love these threads (SGC vs PSA). It's another thread where most people are in agreement about SGC being the "preferred" grading service of vintage collectors. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Alan U
I haven't had any significant problems with either PSA or SGC although SGC grades are more likely to be available a couple of days early whereas PSA might be a day or two late. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: boxingcardman
I've never been a fan of the supposedly fine distinctions between the 8, 8.5 and 9 cards, let alone between the 9 and the 10 cards. To paraphrase the old joke about coke. PSA 10 is the universe's way of telling you that you have too much money. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Rob
I LOVE IT when a card is perfectly centered, has beautiful color like it was stored away for 50 years, great registration, and a surface wrinkle that i can't see but a grader can see with a microscope, cuz that means its getting a "3" rating and I can afford it cuz it keeps all the registry hounds away!!!! If it wasn't graded, everyone would consider it as NM/MT and it'd fetch much more money. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Lee Behrens
About 2 years ago I sold a T206 Bob Rhoades Arm extended SGC 84 for $2000. The same card in a PSA 7 holder sold this week for less than $700. Make the assumptions you want but if you buy the card not the holder you will happiest in the long run. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Marty
I was set up in Chicago last weekend. I have three T206 Green Cobbs, a SGC 10, SGC 40, and a PSA 3. The SGC40 and the PSA 3 were priced the same. I sold the PSA 3. I do not think that the holder is what sold that card. The SGC card has a longer more noticeable crease in it and presented better. I believe that the card sold more than the holder. I have been getting more of my inventory in SGC holders. From observation, I know that SGC and PSA will grade the same card differently. I send cards in to both services. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Neal K
the PSA 8 could be nicer than the 92 as well ... the SGC 92 is one of the most absurd grades out there. Certainly up there with a PSA 10/SGC 98 or 100, and GAI 11. Just my opinion. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: JimCrandell
SGC is a fine company. Dave has done an excellent job. They have grown to where they were a niche company to now they are a legit alternative to PSA for many types of cards. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: Jerry Hrechka
I'm somewhat confused - if both SGC & PSA are competent in grading cards, then why does the hobby need a "GRAND HIGH EXALTED MYSTIC RULER" to pass judgement on the cards they have already graded. |
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SGC vs PSA
Posted By: barrysloate
Jerry- do you remember the name of the Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler? |
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