E107 anyone?

[joeadcock]

One of my favorite sets the E107. Love lookin at them. Love to see those from other members. Love them no matter what shape they are in.

My favorite actress when I was in Elementary school(early 1970's). From the Golden Voyage of Sinbad, Caroline Munroe. Bet she would love the E107 also.

[joeadcock]

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[danc]

What does Caroline Munroe have to do with e107's?

My favorite cards as well.

DanC

[joeadcock]

Nothing at all.

Admire the set, difficult to assemble and very expensive(even the lower grade cards).

Can members show some of their examples?

[Kenny Cole]

Van Haltren

[ls7plus]

Very rare, very expensive, and very worthwhile collecting in any grade!

Great cards, guys.

Best to all,

Larry

[rainier2004]

Ok, Im new....what are these e107's, how many are in the set and where do I get a Carline Munroe at?

[Jacklitsch]

I'll play...

[sb1]

Rainier,

It's the toughest E card set bar none, heck even tougher than any T card set. Issued in 1903-04, perhaps by more than one company, Breisch-Williams being one.

No one has ever completed it due to very tough team variations.

Findind a picture of the actress would be easier than finding an E107. Maybe that was the comparison intent

[rainier2004]

Thanks Sb1...that plank is amazing!

[joeadcock]

Scott

Beautiful Plank. To go along with all your other cards.

Sorry, just threw the Munro in for interest. Has to be one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. As a young kid, couldn't get her off my mind for awhile. Thanks be to GOD, I have grown up.

I agree, tough set. I am glad to have a few. But taken me awhile to get even a few, because of the cost.

[terjung]

My all time favorite set. Scott, that Plank is outstanding.

I'll start with these two...

[joeadcock]

Brian

Really Nice cards

Do you have an example like the one in your avatar?

[terjung]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Ok, Im new....what are these e107's, how many are in the set and where do I get a Carline Munroe at?

Extremely tough set issued in 1903-1904 that is the first major set of the 20th century. The set is largely attributed to Breisch-Williams caramel company, but may have been issued by more other companies as well. They come with two basis backs - namely "one of a hundred and fifty prominent baseball players" and blank backs. The back indicates that there are 150 players in the set, but only 147 players have been found to date. A handful of players have team variations, which pushes the master set over 150 to somewhere around 161. There is a great article by Brian McQueen in Old Cardboard (Issue #4 - Summer 2005). It is required reading for anyone interested in the set. (Actually, the entire publication is fantastic. Subscribe if you don't already.)

You will note on some of the flips where "Type 1" is denoted. There is a "Type 2" of E107s. This does not refer to the second kind of back, but rather refers to a handful of "cards" that have been found with the same image. About 9 players (perhaps a couple more, I don't recall) have been found that have been classified as "Type 2". They are all hand cut and on thicker stock of paper. It has been hypothesized that they were all cut from an advertising display. No one knows for sure at this point, but they are more scarce than even the Type 1 cards. In general, when people refer to E107s, they are talking about the Type 1 cards.

Some players are tougher than others. I think it can safely be stated that the surviving population of any card is less than 20. A handful of Philadelphia players are the more commonly found and they are probably in the 10-20 range. It is commonly held that many of the cards only have single digit populations (graded + raw). If you are looking for a type card from E107 set, it won't be impossible to find / acquire due to the number of cards in the set; however, if you are looking to add a specific player from the set, the challenge increases dramatically.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by sb1

Rainier,

It's the toughest E card set bar none, heck even tougher than any T card set. Issued in 1903-04, perhaps by more than one company, Breisch-Williams being one.

No one has ever completed it due to very tough team variations.

Findind a picture of the actress would be easier than finding an E107. Maybe that was the comparison intent

That kind of says it all right there. (...and Scott would know based on his experience with the set. He was a contributor to the Old Cardboard article too.)

[rainier2004]

Thanks Brian. These cards are amazing and the only 2 on ebay have BINs at 1600 and 2200. Thanks for the background on the set. Itd be nice to see a scan of a back.

[terjung]

The size of E107 cards also set the standard by which other sets - like T206 -followed. Speaking of which, the E107 set also contains what many consider the rookie card of many big named HOFers (like Honus Wagner, Nap Lajoie, and Christy Mathewson).

Given the scarcity of the E107 Wagner vs. the T206 Wagner, (the T206 is around 10x more common), it is somewhat surprising that Wagner's rookie card value hasn't mirrored the meteoric rise of the T206.

...and because it is sure to be the source of a debate... Yes, there are earlier images of Wagner on the W600 "street clothes" cabinet and the M101-1 paper issue, but the E107 is pretty much universally agreed to be a "card", the others are open for debate.) Regardless, there are a ton of early cards (some would say rookie cards) of HOFers in the E107 set.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Thanks Brian. These cards are amazing and the only 2 on ebay have BINs at 1600 and 2200. Thanks for the background on the set. Itd be nice to see a scan of a back.

Here's a front and back showing the 1 of 150 back. Other backs are the same except just without the writing.

BTW, paper loss is quite common on the backs of these very thin, fragile cards since many were pasted into albums.

[pete zouras]

[teetwoohsix]

Amazing cards everyone, thanks for posting those !!!

I don't own any of these but the E107's are one of my favorite E cards. I love looking at those !!

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

You guys know more than I do. I picked up this Callahan as he personally owned my 1903 Carl Horner Composite, so I thought it would be cool as my type...He is pictured in the upper right, larger picture on the composite.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Leon:

Always love to see that giant composite of yours, it's a beauty!

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Amazing cards everyone, thanks for posting those !!!

I don't own any of these but the E107's are one of my favorite E cards. I love looking at those !!

Sincerely, Clayton

+1 there. I tell myself, "maybe some day," as to at least some of the hall-of-famers. In any grade, of course.

May the collecting be good, and the treasures obtained prized forever!

Larry

[philliesphan]

[DanP]

The Flick and Keeler certainly aren't pretty, but they'll have to do!

[joeadcock]

Dan those 3 certainly would do for me.

[sb1]

Nice cards Dan, I used to own both the Keeler and Lajoie.

The Overpring is normally a bit fuller and clearer, this is a bit weaker than usual. They are much, much tougher than either the blank or 150 back.

[Rob D.]

[packs]

Great thread.

[terjung]

Stunning Joss and Flick, Rob and Scott!

[terjung]

Dan,

Is that Keeler a mislabeled Type 2?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

Dan those 3 certainly would do for me.

Darn right, Dan--I'd be delighted to own either or both. You should see my 1947 Tip Top Bread Spahn, Kiner and Berra, if you think those are in rough shape!

Best always,

Larry

[ValKehl]

Hi Scott - Do you know if anyone has ever completed either of the E270 sets (Red Borders or Tin Tops) or the E271 set? If not, then the E107 set may not be any tougher than these E sets to complete??

Insofar as obtaining an individual example is concerned, IMHO an E222 and an E271 are much tougher to obtain than an E107 (Scott, I realize that you didn't make any assertion re individual examples).

Best, Val

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Hi Scott - Do you know if anyone has ever completed either of the E270 sets (Red Borders or Tin Tops) or the E271 set? If not, then the E107 set may not be any tougher than these E sets to complete??

Insofar as obtaining an individual example is concerned, IMHO an E222 and an E271 are much tougher to obtain than an E107 (Scott, I realize that you didn't make any assertion re individual examples).

Best, Val

As far as cataloged E sets I think these might be the most difficult to obtain at least 1 copy of....but the set is much smaller too. And with the Las Angeles team having 2 completely different cards I am not sure there is a full set known.....

[joeadcock]

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[Vintagecatcher]

Marc S.,

Your E107 is misidentified as Ira Thomas when it should be Roy Thomas.

Grading companies frequently make this mistake. Ira only played for the Philadelphia As not the Phillies.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...homaro01.shtml


Patrick

[terjung]

A couple more to keep us going...

[barrysloate]

Have we ever noted, and forgive me if I've forgotten, that the E107 pose of Chief Zimmer is the same one used for his Just So card?

[DanP]

Originally Posted by terjung

Dan,

Is that Keeler a mislabeled Type 2?

I'm not sure. I guess it is there is more gray in mine then the Type 1, but it looks like the caption is (was) the same. I would love to cross it over, but SGC said it was to small. I wonder if PSA would encapsulate it?

Does anyone out there have an image of a Type 2 Keeler you can post?

[DanP]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Darn right, Dan--I'd be delighted to own either or both. You should see my 1947 Tip Top Bread Spahn, Kiner and Berra, if you think those are in rough shape!

Best always,

Larry

Thanks guys. I'm guessing that I wouldn't upgrade these cards even if I had the opportunity. I still need a bunch of E107's so I'm hoping there's more out there in this condition!

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Have we ever noted, and forgive me if I've forgotten, that the E107 pose of Chief Zimmer is the same one used for his Just So card?

interesting, especially since the Young is obviously a different photo. who was the photographer for the Just So cards?

[barrysloate]

I have no idea who photographed the Just So's. There were many photos taken of Young, so a more current one was used. But the Zimmer photo was already ten years old when it was used on the E107. Maybe that was the only one they had available.

[Leon]

Woops, sorry for derailing the thread above with a few colorful cards. I thought about deleting them but who cares, it's cards. Getting back to the subject I don't really ever see much advertising for Breisch-Williams? Here is a possibly related item.....Plus, and I know we have had this discussion before, I think there is a relation to the Oxford Caramels too....

[Bicem]

Breisch-Williams Co. (e107) and The Williams Caramel Co. (e103) were both located in Oxford, PA. So what happened to Breisch?

[E93]

Originally Posted by sb1

It's the toughest E card set bar none, heck even tougher than any T card set.

You may be right, but there are some other extremely tough E sets to complete. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anybody has completed the E105 Mello-Mint set either. Finding a type is example is not hard because half of the set is available, but the other third to half are nearly impossible with only 1-4 examples known. Tougher ones include Cobb.

JimB

[E93]

P.S. Everybody is posting amazing cards!!!

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by E93

You may be right, but there are some other extremely tough E sets to complete. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anybody has completed the E105 Mello-Mint set either. Finding a type is example is not hard because half of the set is available, but the other third to half are nearly impossible with only 1-4 examples know. Tougher ones include Cobb.

JimB

What about the E125 set? I feel an equally difficult set to complete.

[kkkkandp]

My meager contributions...

[Bicem]

those are nice... fat borders on the Mertes.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Breisch-Williams Co. (e107) and The Williams Caramel Co. (e103) were both located in Oxford, PA. So what happened to Breisch?

Not sure exactly what happened to Mr. Breisch, but several caramel companies were cannabalizing each other during that timeframe (early 1900s). Pennsylvania seemed to be mecca for caramel. Not only was there a big plant in Oxford with Breisch-Williams - later Williams Caramel, but Mr. Hershey was in Lancaster, PA. He seemed to do ok with his business.


Here's a couple more E107s...