W514 Hendlers backs

[Bob Lemke]

I've been petitioned to add the Hendlers Ice Cream ad-back W514s to the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

I'm always leery of generic blank-backed cards that have newly discovered ad backs.

Does anybody here have any input on this set?

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke

I've been petitioned to add the Hendlers Ice Cream ad-back W514s to the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

I'm always leery of generic blank-backed cards that have newly discovered ad backs.

Does anybody here have any input on this set?

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I have seen a few, Bob. I don't know if I have one but to me they are another stamped back. I like them and will pay a fairly large premium for them, after close inspection of course . I will hopefully get some things posted soon that are sort of like this. I think it's fun to research these various backs . take care

[101SOX19]

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I have had this for several years and have never seen another, I would love to see if anyone else has W514's with printing on the back.

Thank You

[lhardem]

Hi Bob. There is a discussion of W514 backs in an article written by Ted Golden in Issue #11 (Spring 2007) of Old Cardboard magazine. The discussion includes images of several backs including Hendlers with two different slogan variations (see page 21).

PS: I was glad to hear from T. S. O'Connell at National that you are well and in good health.

Lyman

[Epps]

Wow, that Cicotte is awesome. I also have never seen one like it.

[fkw]

Ive seen a few...

Here are scans I have of some backs found on W514's

(Notice the slogans vary on the Hendlers backs)


1919-21 F-Unc. Hendler's Ice Cream


1919-21 D-Unc. Barker Bread

(dont own them anymore)

[Leon]

here's one (W515-2 with stamp) I just picked up.....The description in the title didn't have anything about the stamp so it went somewhat unnoticed on ebay....

[Bob Lemke]

But still a great find. With your permission to capture your photos, I'll add it to the Standard Catalog.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke

But still a great find. With your permission to capture your photos, I'll add it to the Standard Catalog.

Thanks for the clarification Bob...I sometimes get some of the W series mixed up. I guess I should have gotten the program at the gate . You are more than welcome to use the scan and/or info. regards

[nolemmings]

Leon, why do you refer to your Jersey Ice Cream as one that has been "stamped"? That looks to me like it was printed, as does the Robinson Crusoe peanut card, both being centered and with somewhat intricate fonts. Do you think these were hand-stamped as opposed to printed?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Leon, why do you refer to your Jersey Ice Cream as one that has been "stamped"? That looks to me like it was printed, as does the Robinson Crusoe peanut card, both being centered and with somewhat intricate fonts. Do you think these were hand-stamped as opposed to printed?

Good question, Todd. I never really gave it a second thought until now. Maybe it is a regular printed back? I think it would have been an easier process to stamp them, but printing is a possibility. In looking a little closer at it, and I did put it under low magnification, the letters are solid.....I might be able to put it under a higher magnification, get out David Cycleback's book, and investigate further. Nice question.

[nolemmings]

Not that stamped cards can't be period--of course t hey can. Still, it seems more likely legitimate and not a recent fake or fantasy card if the back was printed and not stamped--at least I would have a much higher comfort level. Then it begs the question as to whether entire strips (sheets?)were somehow submitted to the printing process, which would seem to make sense.
Keep us posted on whatever you find.

[Leon]

I think the "faked" print/stamped backs debate is way over played. I am not saying you are debating it but I hear it often. On this card if someone went to that much trouble to make an extra $25 then bless their hearts.....I think I paid $51 for it......Just like 99.999 % of the stamp/printed backs out in the hobby, they are real, have been around forever, had very little value 20 yrs ago....and often are overlooked even today. (which is fine by me)

[nolemmings]

I wasn't suggesting your card was not real. I just have a higher comfort level that a card is legit if it is printed. It would not take much effort at all to create some sort of stamp with a simple slogan and apply it to a blank-backed card. We can argue over whether period inks and such would then come into play, but it would surely be easier to come up with a stamp than to set a print press.

I understand your point about the likely legitimacy of stamped cards, but I do not agree that 99.999% of all stamped cards are legit; after all, that's one fake out of every 100,000 cards. It would not have to be greed driven either. Take an old company stamp, for instance, and just apply it to a low dollar card. You see it as what have you got to gain, but it might also be seen as what have you got to lose.

Again, not trying to cause a ruckus, I just think it reflects a more serious and deliberate effort by the advertiser if he goes to the trouble of having the cards printed rather than stamped.

[Leon]

I agree on all accounts. I was being facetious with my percentage to make a point that all of the stories about fake overprints are mostly just that, stories. Personally, I have seen about 3-5 fakes in my time. I think they are more difficult to pass off than most think.

No doubt that a more serious effort would have to be undertaken to actually have a printed back. There are actually some unique characteristics of some of the overprinted cards, which I won't go into on purpose, that gives them a bit of added protection as long as you know what to look for. First of all- anything from Ohio is suspect .