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Posted By: Steve M.
Mein Gott!!!!! I'm on the wrong board. Close to 40% are PSA 8/SGC 88 collectors. Maybe it's a little too early and when some of the "working class" get home tonight they can right the ship. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Makes me think that the poll is being "Freeped" by the PSA crowd. |
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Posted By: leon
I might need to check into this. I don't think there is anyway this poll is indicative of the boards feelings on the subject so far. There are ways to manipulate the poll if someone wanted too. I am not saying that has happened but my guess is about 1-2% of the board members AND lurkers collect in the 8 and above category. We'll see how it goes. Maybe there's hanging chads? Maybe we'll have to have a committee to decide if the poll is tainted? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Are PSA-8 voters aware that this is a poll for vintage cards only, and not post war? Because if you collect caramel cards in PSA-8 or better, you probably have a really small (and very valuable) collection! |
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Posted By: Dave
Well I'm one of the few PSA 1 and 2 collectors I guess... |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
hmmm, i am surprised too...thought there were only a few of us... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Is anyone out there paying hired goons to stuff the ballot box? |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
Barry, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Hey in Texas you can still vote when you're dead. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I think we need to get Jeb Bush to recount the votes! (uh-oh, here we go...) |
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Posted By: Martin Neal
I "prefer" to collect in Psa 8, but can only afford Psa 4-5. maybe it would be better to ask... in general, what grade do you normally collect? |
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Posted By: Brian
Those evil high grade registry-heads -- they screw-up everything! |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Seems like the kind of poll done to embarass high grade collectors--i.e. real collectors collect low grade--but instead it is having the opposite effect. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Barry brought up a good point, It isn't clear whether we are talking about pre-war only or whether it is all cards (remember this board is focused on pre-WWII). I don't collect pre-war in 8 or above, but if I am buying a Rickey Henderson rookie I probably would. Just an idea, but if 35% of this board really does collect solely PSA 8 or above vintage cards, I will be the first to admit I underestimated the volume of people that did so. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- if at the end of the poll the PSA-8's are the winner, I will be the first to apologize and say you are right! |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I wouldn't be so fast to apologize Barry. Online polls are easy to manipulate. And this poll is poorly worded as well. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Just how would you manipulate a poll like this? Are there strongmen at the voting booths threatening to break people's kneecaps if they don't vote PSA-8? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Jim, you told people who don't post to Net54 to vote in this poll? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I would prefer to complete my E107 set in PSA-9 or better, and collect my Four Base Hits HOFers in gem mint 10 (I would throw back all the 9's). But I think the poll should reflect how people typically collect. Everyone would like all of their cards to be gem mint if possible. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Dan, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I don't care where the word got it's start, if you are telling your friends who don't post to Net54 to vote in this poll then you are manipulating the poll. |
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Posted By: joe brennan
The poll was a little vague for my collectiong so I picked the low grade catagory. I collect anything I can afford, which usually limits me to PSA 1-4's. |
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Posted By: Griffins
I collect some sets that I really like in high grade, a bunch of sets in mid grade, some raw, and am currently avidly pursuing a set in any way, shape or form I can find, as long as it's full size. But I don't see a choice "all of the above and none of the above, depending" |
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Posted By: Trevor Hocking
I for one think that we all know how the majority of this community prefers to collect. I think the only way to show it publicly is to start a thread with the same pole and see who is posting. But really, it doesn't matter if you like 8's or 1's it just matters that you like what you collect. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I'm with Griff. |
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Posted By: Chris Bland
I dont know if anyone is really sad enough to do this, but if you want to you can vote multiple times on these polls relatively easily. From a technological standpoint, its not hard... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Trevor, |
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Posted By: Bob
So I assume this means that anyone answering the poll that he/she collects only cards SGC 88 and above does not collect: |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Leon- Nice job. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Are these results indicative of exit polls? Are some people voting multiple times? Do we need a hearing? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I just took a glance at the results and at this moment 47 people have voted for PSA 8 or better, and clearly the poll is not done. What I find interesting is that in the daily course of this board, maybe there are 3 or 4 high grade collectors who I recognize as regular posters. So who are all these people voting, and where did they come from? |
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Posted By: Joe Tocco
Perhaps the early results of this poll show that there are many lurkers and semi-lurkers who collect high grade cards, but do not post because they see how other high-grade collectors are treated here? Just a thought... |
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Posted By: Trevor Hocking
Jim, |
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Posted By: Bob
And why do the caramel cards in SGC 50 and 60 bring such a premium if none of these guys will lower themselves to bid on them since they are below 88????? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Bob, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Joe, |
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Posted By: leon
I asked for help in wording the poll. I sort of took for granted (and maybe it was a mistake) that the boards first sentence: |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Look closely at the poll question: |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: barrysloate
Leon- is it worth restarting the poll with a clearer topic sentence? Fred's point is correct- everyone would like a gem mint Wagner but that is not what you are asking. Also, are all voters aware that Topps and Bowman don't apply here. And I am the first to say I have no problem with the idea that there may be more high grade vintage collectors than we imagined. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
New poll - |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon, |
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Posted By: Bob
Jim- Fair enough, I was just pointing out that many sets just simply don't have any 88s or better in existence, at least not yet. I'm sure to you the challenge of finding an 88 or better in the Goudey series is akin to my finding a decent looking 1911 Zeenut with rounded corners but nice eye appeal. Both searches are tough. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Good point Jim. If the poll showed two PSA 8 collectors you would have had to endure merciless attacks from this group of yokels. However, I still wonder if perhaps some voters misunderstood the question. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Bob, |
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Posted By: leon
After looking at some comments I believe the wording of the permise for the poll is not proper. I think it would be better stated if we took out the "prefer" verbiage. Almost everyone prefers pristine but many find it ridiculous on many fronts.... The categories would be the same but the premise would be: |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Finally, the PSA 8s pull into the lead with 74 votes--at last a poll that I like the results of. |
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Posted By: Chris Bland
Is there some way to set this up so that you can only log one vote per IP address? |
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