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mr. mosessome of them are I guess place-fillers without the possibility of having a card inside. A couple of others like the Lenox pack I have yet to get my own example of. When i get the time and the inclination I'll post some pix for you. Many of the problems that a pack collector will face come from the lack of CREDIBLE information in the marketplace- whether in the baseball world - the antique world - whatever. Best information I've gleaned and stolen (lol-with reference to J.S> came from tin, paper, and advertising collectors as well as dogged searching at shows and on eBay for whatever would add to what I thought or knew or thought I knew.... There is a work by Jon Canfield that did a good job of describing many of the brands and associated factory numbers. I really like my packs and love that there are finally others that share such an interest......