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Originally Posted by jgannon
Hey, just want to let you know your not alone out here. Most people don't realize that the news they watch is corporate media, not truly independent media. Regarding the entire Ukraine thing, most people are unaware of what the U.S. promised Russia about NATO after the latter agreed to the unification of Germany. Russia has warned the U.S. about Ukraine for years now and their warnings have been completely ignored despite the U.S. also being warned by many Russian scholars and former ambassadors to Russia.
To espouse this viewpoint doesn't mean that one is a Russian asset or that they support the war. It just means you're educated and know why the crisis is occurring. It's very hard to have rational conversations with people on the subject who don't know any of the background.
Btw, Dore is excellent and has on excellent and truly informed people like Glenn Greewald, Max Blumenthal, etc.
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Yeah, if you watched the Dore video that Irv linked to previously you'd think the US promised Russia that NATO would not expand any further to the east of Germany. If that's what you think, "it just means you're
[not] educated."
"The Myth of a No-NATO-Enlargement Pledge to Russia"
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazona...prilkramer.pdf
"Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”"
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...achev-says-no/
And an excellent article from a dastardly, not-to-be-trusted MSM
"The Historical Dispute Behind Russia’s Threat to Invade Ukraine"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...invade-ukraine
There is one site that I found that seems to support your view:
"NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard"
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...early#_ednref1
And I like that site because of all the documentation it provides. However, after reading several of the documents the site links to to support the view that Gorbachev was promised NATO would not expand, I don't see how they come to that conclusion. I could find no such promise documented in the documents I looked at. So feel free to provide a link to a credible document that supports your "educated" view that the US promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. And no, Dore is not a credible source.