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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

You may have caught some slack on some of the other cards in this grouping; but you sure didn't on these two. If they are 4s, they sure are high end examples. I think that the '67 has a shot at an upgrade, unless the corner is buggered. That the centering on the other drops it into the vg/ex range is probably because the corners although quite strong for vg/ex, are not good Ex corners.

Id wait for a grading sale and try them again - what is the chance that they will come back as 3s? Real slim.