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Bruce BabcockHager started ASA, as Leon said. Most of the ASA I cards I bought were trimmed although others have had better experiences. In all fairness to CSA, they aren't as bad as PRO, the all-time worst, but I would be leery. Likely to be overgraded. Avoid CTA as well, if they are even still around. Either unable to detect problems or willing to overlook them.