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Posted By: sagard

Comparing these guys to Blyleven, John, Morris, Kaat, etc... is the wrong comparison. For better or worse most great pitchers may not win 250 anymore.

Compare those two to their peers. Here is how I rank them, completely subjectively, but I'm guessing the statistics would roughly support these rankings.

Clemens
Maddux
Johnson
Glavine
Martinez
Schilling
Mussina

Basically I don't find either of them top five pitchers of their era and I don't think either Mussina or Schilling are currently very close to being HoF material. Not that I wouldn't take either in a heartbeat for my team.