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Tom BoblittI'd like to learn from someone too.........the variations are like Old Judges from what I can see....some are REALLY difficult to obtain--next to impossible. I've been collecting them for years and have about 225 different and have found some others that really aren't listed like the small/large type sets or photos on a couple of Louisville guys that was discussed before and also couple of versions of the Joss chip and others. I know Rhett or Rhys (get you guys mixed up....) or both of them collect them as well as Mark Macrae and Larry Fritsch are the big collectors. Maybe Mark could impart some of his wisdom on the subject. There isn't much written about them over the years...........