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Old 10-17-2008, 07:28 AM
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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Say you have 3 17 card sheets. One is different from the other two, the second and third are identical except for one column, which adds a player after one of the players on the second sheet is pulled. That gives 17 + 17 + 1 = 35, with 16 extra prints.

You get some short prints this way too, potentially.

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With lithography is it easier to print vertical columns of the same image? And then maybe "strip in" a row, or partial row of another subset of players?

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The 50 card multiple series makes sense, the backs even support it in the 150 and 350 series. But what to make of the 460 series then. New press sheet size for 1911?

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Were T209's produced somewhere other than ALC? Their first series size is off compared to other tobacco cards (slightly larger) and the second series back looks like the font ID'ing the factory is different than most ATC cards.

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Obaks are the same width as Standard Tobacco Size, but we have 19 cards across in 1910 (or is it 1911?).

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ALC had some industrial accidents. Here is a description of one (See page 1274, right side near the top, above PROPERLY HEAT) that may give insight into some machinery there. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/68hjle</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/68hjle</a&gt;

And they changed their presses around 1919-one of them was dropped from a crane and fell through the sidewalk into a subway line in Manhattan. I had this link but have lost it. Will repost if I find it.

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Do they have to be printed vertically? I guess you could rotate a sheet 90 degrees.

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A quick scan of Michell & Forbes "American Tobacco Cards" shows set counts as follows for Standard Tobacco Size cards, years of issue shown if not roughly around 1909-11:

T34: 21 predates T206 by a couple of years
T35: 18 issued 1916
T39: 17 count unconfirmed
T42: 100
T43: 30
T58: 100
T59: 200 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4"
T66: 56 (interesting) - tall at 2 9/16" - non standard fonts
T74: 35 (interesting) - tall at 2 9/16" - non standard fonts
T79: 100 wide at 1 3/4"
T80: 50
T81: 50 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4"
T82: 50 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4"
T84: 50 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4"
T88: 267 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4" ("Over 250 designs")
T113: 50 slightly taller than Standard Tobacco Size at 2 3/4"
T121: 250 (issued 1914 or later)
T126: 18 count unconfirmed, 2 3/4" tall
T175: 50 package design card issued circa 1900-02
T176: 24 package design card issued circa 1900-02
T177: 28 package design card issued circa 1900-02

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What is Standard Tobacco Size? Even Lipset seems to vacillate between 1 7/16" and 1 5/8 in width, with a set height of 2 5/8" Is either width then "Standard"?

I think Standard Tobacco Size could be from 1 7/16" to 1 1/2" wide, and 2 5/8" to 2 3/4" tall (with natural variance) based on this sampling. That's a 1/16" variance in width and 1/8" height.



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