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Josh K.cmoking - you are correct, most of the posted cards (at least mine) do have some degree of paperloss on the back. However, I think the point barry is making is that its not right that a small amount of paperloss can get you a 10 while a creased and stained card that looks terrible but has no paperloss can still grab a 30 or 40. At least to me, that isnt right. I will post scans of the back of the cobb tonight - it has two small spots of paperloss - more than Leon's for sure, but nothing that should drop the grade all the way from a 70 or 80 to a 30.