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Archive 03-19-2009 03:18 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>In 1911 American Lithographic (ALC) started producing their Gold Border sets. A Military series<br> of 50 cards (T80) and a BaseBall series of 210 cards.<br><br>Shown here for comparison are 2 Subjects of the the T80 set and a T205 Minor Leaguer card.<br> I'd venture to say the same artist created these designs, embellishing the Military men with a<br> higher quality of artwork than the BB guys.<br> <br><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/alenoxuzitt80t205nee.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/blenoxuzitt80.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><br>I have a feeling that we can attribute the short-printing of T206 cards with LENOX and UZIT<br> backs in early 1911 to ALC printing their new T80 cards with LENOX &amp; UZIT backs. The T80's<br> can also be found with OLD MILL and TOLSTOI backs.<br><br>I sold my T205 set 10 years ago; but, I kept the 12 Minor Leaguers as I thought their design<br>was really &quot;cool&quot;. Here is the checklist of these 12 cards......<br><br>Doc Adkins (Baltimore)<br>Henry Batch (Rochester)<br>Forrest Cady (Newark)<br>Jimmy Collins (Providence)<br>John Dunn (Baltimore)<br>James Frick (Newark)<br>Charles Hanford (Jersey City)<br>Wyatt Lee (Newark)<br>Lewis McAllister (Newark)<br>George Merritt (Buffalo)<br>John Nee (Newark)<br>James Phelan (Providence)<br><br><br>Excellent artwork and a neat little T205 sub-set to collect....Show &amp; Tell of your T205 Minor's ?<br><br>Throw in some scans of your T80's, too.....just for fun.<br><br><br>Thanks to Jim Rivera for my T80 cards.<br><br><br>T-Rex TED<br><br>

Archive 03-19-2009 03:31 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>can be found with Cairo Monopol backs as well......

Archive 03-19-2009 04:17 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Matt E.</b><p>Wow! Ted what great colorful T80 cards. I may have just found a new non-sport set to collect. Don't know much about them... Are they hard to find? Thanks for sharing. The T205 Minor League subset is a great group to collect.<br><br>Matt<br>

Archive 03-19-2009 04:32 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Michael C</b><p>I have thought about doing the T80s, but I have my handful just getting nice t205s.

Archive 03-19-2009 06:20 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>These are the only two T80's that I have. I'm going to search for more....but, with the <br>OLD MILL or TOLSTOI backs.<br><br>Perhaps, some one on this forum is more familiar with them and will chime in, as to their<br>availability.<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 03-19-2009 06:28 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Matt Sears</b><p>I have been collecting T80's for almost 7 years now and here is my experience with them.<br><br>Old Mill &amp; Cairo Monopol - Toughest<br>Uzit - second toughest<br>Lenox - 3rd<br>Tolstoi - easiest<br><br>I have always heard about a blank back but I have never seen one.<br><br>I have several duplicates if anyone is interested.

Archive 03-20-2009 05:48 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks for chiming in on the T80 cards.<br><br>I will email you regarding your duplicates.<br><br><br>Best regards,<br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 03-20-2009 06:12 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Roger</b><p><br><a href="http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-T80/go.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-T80/go.html</a>

Archive 03-20-2009 07:48 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Arrrgggh. I started collecting T80's a few months ago. (I have 9) Now everyone is gonna want them. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"><br><br>Anyways, I don't have any scans of my T80's but I do have some scans of the T205 minor leaguers.<br><br>[IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/T205Merritt.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/T205-Adkins.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/JamesPhelan.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/WyattLee.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/T205Batch.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/T205Collins.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG] [IMG]<img src="http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Kehfee/T205Dunn.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG]<br>

Archive 03-20-2009 07:59 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks for posting the T80 gallery.<br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 03-20-2009 08:52 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Roger</b><p>Ted<br><br>your welcome

Archive 03-21-2009 09:19 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>These letters were auctioned through Mastronet back on Apr. 11th, 2002 - basically notifying the recipient that American Tobacco was discontinuing the production of Tolstoi and Uzit T206's, and beginning to insert a &quot;Military series&quot;. Interesting that the letters mention simultaneous insertion of both a baseball and military picture in each package of cigarettes (until the baseball series ran out I assume). Any idea what the final price was for these pieces? - I couldn't find anything through the Mastro back door.<br><br>PS - apologies for using an antiquated scanner...<br><br><img src="http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/ladypaper/T206.jpg" width="797" height="491" alt="T206.jpg">

Archive 03-21-2009 09:59 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Some fine research, guy. Thanks for posting. The T80's are mostly found with the TOLSTOI backs.<br>The T80's with LENOX and UZIT are the not as tough to find as the T206's are.<br><br>The dates on these ATC letters confirm my previously stated timeline on the T206 LENOX &amp; UZIT<br>issues.<br><br>Thanks again for a great post.<br><br>TED Z<br><br>

Archive 03-21-2009 10:18 AM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>Thanks Ted - there's another misc. lot in the catalog with a piece from ATC mentioning that American Beauty T206's began being packed on June 14th, 1910, and started shipping on July 3rd, 1910.

Archive 03-21-2009 03:57 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>pretty sure at one time had your Uzit Highlander.<br><br>I remember bidding on the Mastro letters, but can't recall how much they went for.<br>regret I didnt bid higher!<br><br>took a few years for me to build my T80 set (50 cards), a fun set to collect! <br><br>have a scan of the rare Cairo Monopol ad back on my website.<br><br><a href="http://www.t206rarecards.com/military.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206rarecards.com/military.html</a><br>

Archive 03-21-2009 05:11 PM

Similar T205 and T80 artwork....let's see your cards ?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks for posting....I always enjoy checking out your website.<br><br>The Cairo Monopol, Lenox, Tolstoi and Uzit brands are all Factory 30 (NY), while the Old Mill<br> is Factory 25 (VA). I think that tells us why the Old Mill T80's are so rare.... because by the<br> Spring of 1911, ATC's Cigarette production had been transferred from Richmond (Factory 25)<br> to Durham, NC (Factory 42).<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>


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