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02-16-2009 11:35 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBT206 EPDG Back Question February 16 2009 at 2:33 PM RayB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In reviewing Scot Readers fine text "Inside T-206" he charts (under Series Discussion Page 23) all the possible Back designations for the different Series of T206 cards. Following the logic established in this chart it would follow that there could be theoretically 477 different cards with a T206 Back. If you exclude the "Rule Breakers" (7 cards) completely then the final tally would be 470 theoretical possibilities. In previous discussions on this topic about the EPDG Back there was an argument offered for a lesser number but in rereading the entire Reader text again twice I couldn't follow how that could or would be the case. I can say for sure, with the help of previous work done by our own Ted Z., that I have substantiated the existance of only 276 different examples to date. Can anyone add to substantiate or refute the theoretical total of EPDG's and bring this discussion back to date? Insight from our resident T206 guru's is, of course, appreciated. RayB <a href="http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k94/aja4rayb/livingstoneRaw" rel="nofollow"></a>

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02-16-2009 08:05 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Scot Reader Ray, You can remove the 12 150-only subjects from the ranks of the theoretically possible with EPDG, if you haven't already. I'm referring to: Ames (Hands at Chest) G. Brown (Chicago) M. Brown (Cubs on Shirt) Burch (Batting) Donlin (Fielding) Doyle (Throwing) Evers (Blue Sky) Pattee Pelty (Horizontal) Powers Reulbach (Glove Shows) Schulte (Front View) I am now convinced that those don't exist, my 2006 checklist notwithstanding. Ted's EPDG survey will give you a good idea about which subjects are actually possible with EPDG, although all subjects from the 150/350, 350-only, 350/460 SP, 350/460 RP and 460-only subject groups are theoretically possible with that back. Scot

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02-16-2009 08:46 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Dan KoochinCan't say I've ever seen a green portrait Cobb EPDG, a no print as well. are you debating whether you 'should' see all 470 or so on EPDG based on the small sample size from the previous surveys on the board? or do feel you're close at to the EPDG 'set' at 270-something? but isn't that dependent on how you 'see' the timeline of issue? I see it as a fall 1910 350 series issue, but feel the Piedmont set is more complete (possibly because Piedmont issued a short run 150/350 series prior to EPDG) ....would be interesting to see if Ritchey dove and no-dove both appear in EPDG or not.....

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02-17-2009 05:33 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBDan - Yes. The 276 count is an ongoing effort to continue to update the oroginal List that Ted Z compiled partly as a result of input here on the Boards. I continue to watch for additional examples. RayB

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02-17-2009 09:48 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisUpdated list of confirmed El Principe de Gales cards (280)......Feb 17, 2009 Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Abbott Adkins Ames (hands/head) Anderson Atz Baker Ball (New York) Ball (Cleveland) Barbeau Barger Batch Bates Beaumont Beck Bell (hands/head) Bender (portrait) Bender (trees) Bergen (bat) Bergen (catching) Berger Bescher (fielding) Blackburne Bliss Bowerman B radley (portrait) Bradley (bat) Brain Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Bresnahan (portrait) Bridwell (cap) Bridwell (no cap) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Burchell Burke Burns BushCamnitz (arms fold) Camnitz (arms side) Campbell Casey Chance (red portrait) Chance (yellow portrait) Chance (bat) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chase (dark cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (bat) Clarke (portrait) JJ Clarke Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off) Collins (A's) Collins (Minneapolis) Congalton Conroy (bat) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crandall (w/cap) Cravath Crawford (bat) Cree Criger Dahlen (Boston) Davidson Geo Davis (Chicago) Delehanty (Washington) Demmitt (New York) Devore Donlin (bat) Donlin (sitting) Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolan (bat) Doolan (fielding) Doolin Dougherty (arms/air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle Larry Doyle (bat) Larry Doyle (portrait) Dubuc Duffy Dunn (Brooklyn) Durham Easterly Egan Elberf eld (Wash-fldg) Evans Evers (Chicago) Evers (portrait) Ewing Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Ford Freeman Frill Fromme Gandil Ganley Gasper Geyer Gibson Gilbert Graham (Boston) Graham (St Louis) Gray Griffith (portrait) Groom Hallman Hannifan Hart sell Hemphill Herzog (Boston) Herzog (New York) Hinchman (Cleveland) Hinchman (Toronto) Hoblitzell Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (hands/waist) Hulswitt Hummell Jackson Jennin gs (portrait) Jennings (1 hand) Jennings (2 hands) Johnson (portrait) Johnson (pitch) Tom Jones (St Louis) Jordan (portrait) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Karger Keeler (portrait) Kelley Killian (pitching) Kisinger Kleinow (Boston) Kling Knight (bat) Konetchy (glove lo) Konetchy (glove hi) Krause (portrait) Kruger Lajoie (throw) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Lou. (no ball) Lake, St. Lou. (ball) Lattimore Lavender Leach (portrait) Leach (cap) Leifield (pitching) Leifeld (bat) Lindaman Livingstone Lobert Lord Lumley Lundgren (Cubs) Lundgren (KC) Maddox Magee (portrait) Magee (bat) Marquard (hds/side) Mathewson (wh cap) Mathewson (dark cap) Mattern McAleese McCormick McGraw (portrait-w cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn/Chicago) McLean McQuillan (ball/hand) Merritt Meyers (portrait) Miller (Pittsburg) Milligan Mullin (bat) Mullin (throw) Murphy (bat) Murray (portrait) Myers (fielding) Nattress Needham Nichols Ni les Oakes Oberlin O'Leary (portrait) O'Leary (hds/knees) Oldring (bat) Overall (portrait) Overall (yellow sky) Owen Payne Pfeffer Pfiester (seated) Pfeister (throw) Phillippe Powell Purtell Puttm an Quillen Reulbach (no glove) Raymond Rhoades (hds/chest) Rhoades (throwing) Rhodes Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Rudolph Schaefer (Detroit) Schlafly Schlei (catching) Schulte (back) Scott Seymour (bat Schmidt (throwing) Shannon Sharpe Shaw (St Louis) Sheckard (glove) Shipke Smith (Brooklyn) Smith (Buffalo) F. Smith (Chicago) Snodgrass (bat) Snodgrass (catching) Spade Spencer Stahl (glove) Stanage Steinfeldt (portrait) Steinfeldt (bat) Stephens Stovall (portrait) Stovall (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (Boston) Sweeney (New York) L Tannehill J Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thomas Tinker (portrait) Tinker (bat off) Tinker (bat on) Titus Turner Wagner (bat/left) Wagner (bat/right) Walsh Weimer Wheat White (Buffalo) White (Chicago-port) White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (arms/chest) Wilhelm (bat) Willett Willetts Willis (St Louis) Willis (with bat) Wilson Wiltse (portrait-no cap) Wiltse (pitching) Wright CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) CYoung (glove) Zimmerman TED Z

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02-17-2009 10:50 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBTed, Edited to say in cross checking my list against yours we are actually now up to 282 as my list confirms Mordecai Brown Throwing and Overall Blue Sky Pitching. Thanks for filling me in on your additions. 282 Now. RayB RayB

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02-17-2009 03:43 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBBumped for edited response above about more checklist additions. RayB Count is 282.

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02-17-2009 05:03 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI already have "Mordecai Brown Throwing" on the list as....M. Brown (Chicago). Overall (blue sky) is a good one. With the problem in editing (extraneous line spacing), I'll reprise the list to add Overall next time I post here. Thanks, TED Z

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02-17-2009 05:33 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBTed, There has also been a M. Brown Portait Confirmation Ray Still 282.

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02-18-2009 07:01 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThe maximum number of T206 Subjects that were possibly printed with EPDG backs...... 524 = T206 total cards --6 [Doyle error, Magie, Plank, Wagner, Demmitt & O'Hara (St Lo vars.)] -48 (So Lgrs) -12 (150 only) --2 [Dahlen (Brooklyn) & Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)] ---- 456 EPDG candidates Approx. 4 years after our EPDG survey we now have 282 confirmed EPDG cards. The remaining 174 unseen Subjects may just never been printed. There is a high probability, that after 4 years of sampling, we may have accounted for 95 to 99% of the printed EPDG cards. TED Z

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02-18-2009 07:04 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisUpdated list of confirmed El Principe de Gales cards (282)......Feb 18, 2009 Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Abbott Adkins Ames (hands/head) Anderson Atz Baker Ball (New York) Ball (Cleveland) Barbeau Barger Batch Bates Beaumont Beck Bell (hands/head) Bender (portrait) Bender (trees) Bergen (bat) Bergen (catching) Berger Bescher (fielding) Blackburne Bliss Bowerman B radley (portrait) Bradley (bat) Brain Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Bresnahan (portrait) Bridwell (cap) Bridwell (no cap) M. Brown (portrait) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Burchell Burke Burns BushCamnitz (arms fold) Camnitz (arms side) Campbell Casey Chance (red portrait) Chance (yellow portrait) Chance (bat) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off) Collins (A's) Collins (Minneapolis) Congalton Conroy (bat) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crandall (w/cap) Cravath Crawford (bat) Cree Criger Dahlen (Boston) Davidson Geo Davis (Chicago) Delehanty (Washington) Demmitt (New York) Devore Donlin (bat) Donlin (sitting) Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolan (bat) Doolan (fielding) Doolin Dougherty (arm/air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle (hands/head) Larry Doyle (bat) Larry Doyle (portrait) Dubuc Duffy Dunn (Brooklyn) Durham Easterly Egan Elberf eld (Washington-fielding) Evans Evers (Chicago) Evers (portrait) Ewing Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Ford Freeman Frill Fromme Gandil Ganley Gasper Geyer Gibson Gilbert Graham (Boston) Graham (St Louis) Gray Griffith (portrait) Groom Hallman Hannifan Hart sell Hemphill Herzog (New York) Herzog (Boston) Hinchman (Cleveland) Hinchman (Toronto) Hoblitzell Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (hands/waist) Hulswitt Hummell Jackson Jennin gs (portrait) Jennings (1 hand) Jennings (2 hands) Johnson (portrait) Johnson (pitching) Tom Jones (St Louis) Jordan (portrait) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Karger Keeler (portrait) Kelley Killian (pitching) Kisinger Kleinow (Boston) Kling Knight (bat) Konetchy (glove lo) Konetchy (glove hi) Krause (portrait) Kruger Lajoie (throwing) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Lou. (no ball) Lake, St. Lou. (ball) Lattimore Lavender Leach (portrait) Leach (cap) Leifield (pitching) Leifeld (bat) Lindaman Livingstone Lobert Lord Lumley Lundgren (Cubs) Lundgren (Kansas City) Maddox Magee (portrait) Magee (bat) Marquard (hands/side) Mathewson (white cap) Mathewson (dark cap) Mattern McAleese McCormick McGraw (portrait-w/cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn/Chicago) McLean McQuillan (ball/hand) Merritt Meyers (portrait) Miller (Pittsburg) Milligan Mullin (bat) Mullin (throwing) Murphy (bat) Murray (portrait) Myers (fielding) Nattress Needham Nichols Ni les Oakes Oberlin O'Leary (portrait) O'Leary (hands/knees) Oldring (bat) Overall (portrait) Overall (yellow sky) Overall (blue sky) Owen Payne Pfeffer Pfiester (seated) Pfeister (throwing) Phillippe Powell Purtell Pu ttman Quillen Reulbach (no glove) Raymond Rhoades (hands/chest) Rhoades (throwing) Rhodes Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Rudolph Schaefer (Detroit) Schlafly Schlei (catching) Schulte (back view) Scott Seymour (bat) Schmidt (throwing) Shannon Sharpe Shaw (St Louis) Sheckard (glove) Shipke Smith (Brooklyn) Smith (Buffalo) F. Smith (Chicago) Snodgrass (bat) Snodgrass (catching) Spade Spencer Stahl (glove) Stanage Steinfeldt (portrait) Steinfeldt (bat) Stephens Stovall (portrait) Stovall (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (Boston) Sweeney (New York) L Tannehill J Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thomas Tinker (portrait) Tinker (bat off) Tinker (bat on) Titus Turner Wagner (bat/left) Wagner (bat/right) Walsh Weimer Wheat White (Buffalo) White (Chicago-port) White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (arms/chest) Wilhelm (bat) Willett Willetts Willis (St Louis) Willis (with bat) Wilson Wiltse (portrait-no cap) Wiltse (pitching) Wright CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) CYoung (glove) Zimmerman TED Z

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02-18-2009 12:08 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBOf the confirmed examples is there a real way to distinguish which will be the toughest to acquire discounting pricing on the HOF'ers? RayB

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02-18-2009 04:44 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Scot Reader Ray, I'll take a stab at this. My survey data show the following: 150/350 group: 42 EPDG seen / 141 subjects in group = .30 per subject 350-only group: 51 EPDG seen / 207 subjects in group = .25 per subject 350/460 SP group: 5 EPDG seen / 6 subjects in group = .83 per subject 350/460 RP group: 20 EPDG seen / 55 subjects in group = .36 per subject 460-only group: 7 EPDG seen / 48 subjects in group = .15 per subject So, EPDG difficulty is probably about the same across the various subject groups except that subjects in the 350/460 SP group are probably somewhat easier and subjects in the 460-only group are probably somewhat tougher. Of course, this analysis assumes that all subjects in these groups are possible with EPDG. I didn't account for the no-prints. Scot

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02-19-2009 04:21 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBScot. Thanks for your input. I seem to recall a few particular cards that stood out as extremely difficult (but possible) in EPDG?

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02-19-2009 05:44 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI would say the most scarcest EPDG backs are on these 8 cards in the 150/350 Series that I've (in a prior thread) referred to them as the "Elite Eight"...... 1st and foremost..Carl Lundgren (Cubs)....I acquired mine in 1984 and have seen only one other EPDG since then. 2nd......Mullin (throwing) 3rd......Dahlen (Boston) 4th......Ganley 5th......Ew ing 6th......Tom Jones (St Louis) 7th......Karger 8th......Lind aman I have listed these in order of my experience in finding them with EPDG backs. I'm open to any of your questions ? TED Z

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02-19-2009 08:13 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Scot Reader Ted, Ray: I was thinking in terms of subject groups rather than individual subjects. I agree with Ted about the "elite eight" 150/350 subjects. As they are very difficult with 350 backs (and in fact nonexistent with Sweet Caporal 350 and Sovereign 350 backs) it stands to reason that they would be extraordinarily difficult with EPDG. Scot

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02-19-2009 09:08 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: TimScot and Ted, According to an email I received from Ray a few days ago, he has both Dahlen (Boston) and Lindaman with an EPDG back.

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02-19-2009 09:08 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Dave HornishInteresting that only 5 of 6 Super Prints have been seen with EPDG back.

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02-19-2009 09:17 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Scot Reader Dave, All of the super prints have been confirmed with EPDG. My analysis was based only on my ebay survey data and did not include other data sources like Bill Brown's superset spreadsheet. The reason is that those other data sources don't tell you anything about quantity. Scot

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02-19-2009 09:26 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Dave HornishAh-thanks for clarifying. I thought it odd.

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02-19-2009 09:35 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI have all the 8 cards of the "elite eight" with EPDG backs and their very rare Piedmont 350 backs. To acquire these two backs on these eight T206's is a task that took me over 4 years. As I noted in my above post, Lundgren and Mullin are unbelievably tough with EPDG....finding these are a real challenge. TED Z

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02-19-2009 11:36 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: TimTed and Scot, Rather than get off track from Rays EPDG topic, can one of you start a new thread and discuss the "Elite Eight" specifically. Thank you.

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02-19-2009 01:14 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisTIM I have posted previous threads on these 8 cards; but, searching for them is not always easy. However, I don't want to start another thread. Therefore,, here is a summary of my findings on these 8 cards. So, here is what I've found about these 8 cards in the 150/350 series. Compared to the other 133 cards in the 150/350 series, these 8 cards are very seldom found with a "350" back. These 8 cards are found with the usual "150" backs (HINDU, PIEDMONT 150, SOVEREIGN 150, and SWEET CAPORAL 150). But, are rarely found with a 350 back....and then, it is only a PIEDMONT 350 back. Furthermore, the only other "350" back is the EPDG (and this is very rare). The following is a survey we ran on these 8 cards a few years ago that provides you a relative perspect- ive on what I am saying here. Subject................Piedmo nt 350......HINDU........EPDG....Sweet Cap 350....150/350 inputs (total) Dahlen (Boston)...............4.............3............ ..1...............0.................155 Ewi ng............................1..............1.... ..........1...............0.................198 Ganley...........................3........... ...1..............2...............0............... ....99 T Jones (St Louis)............2..............2..............2. ..............0.................141 Karger. ...........................4..............0....... .......4...............0.................167 Lindaman........................3..............5 ..............4...............0.................12 8 Lundgren (Cubs)..............4..............0.............. 2...............0...................55 Mull in (throw)..................2..............0......... .....4...............0...................86 Totals...........................23...... .......12............20..............0............ ....1129 TED Z

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02-19-2009 02:13 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBI've got: Dahlen (Boston) T.Jones Karger Lindaman i n EPDG Back. Not sure I had all of those when we originally did the survey. Thanks for refreshing that info Ted. RayB

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02-19-2009 05:33 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: TimTed - Have you been able to determine any connection between the "Elite Eight" that would explain their scarcity?

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02-19-2009 06:57 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: RayBJust happened to have these two both on my hard drive. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1235098472.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1235098510.JPG" alt="[linked image]">

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02-20-2009 09:13 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisWith the exception of Mullin....the other 7 Subject's careers were in a state of transition in 1909 and this, perhaps, caused American Litho. (ALCo) not to extend their printing of these particular Subjects with the usual "350" type of T-brands. When a new series was introduced, ALCo printed the Piedmont brand first; therefore, a limited number of Piedmont 350 backs were issued of these 8 cards. Furthermore, I would say it is evident from these 8 cards that the EPDG back shortly followed in the print run. This information may offer some insight regarding these Subjects...... 1..Dahlen played in only 69 games with the Boston Doves in 1909, and then was traded to Brooklyn. 2..Ewing was traded from Cinci to the Phillies at the end of 1909. 3..Ganley was traded from Washington to the A's in May 1909. 4..Tom Jones was traded from St Louis (AL) to Detroit in Aug 1909. 5..Karger was traded from Cinci to Boston (AL) in Jun 1909. 6..Lindaman was sent down to Indy (Amer. Assoc.) in July 1909, after a 1-6 record with Boston (NL). 7..Lundgren's Maj. Lge. career ended Apr 23rd 1909, after having pitched in only 2 games for the Cubs. 8..Mullin had a AL leading 29-8 pitching record in 1909...can't figure why this card is in this group ? ? <img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/a150eliteeight350b.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> POST SCRIPT...... After several years of searching for the Piedmont 350 versions of these 8 cards, I was able to acquire 7 of them from one original collection from Georgia. This T206 collection consisted of all Piedmont 350 cards..... including the very rare Joe Doyle error card.....what does this fact tell us ? TED Z

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02-20-2009 10:51 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: keywayI have a EPDG Lundgren, Chicago graded SGC 30. Bought this card back in the mid 80's. I guess you can add this to your list of amounts. Frank

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02-20-2009 10:59 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Lee BehrensTed if you are adding to the list I own a Ewing EPDG, I believe I let you know initially but since I have seen one for sale on Ebay, so that would make at least 2. Lee

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02-20-2009 02:29 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks for your EPDG inputs. But, I'm not running this survey anow. I posted the above data for illustrative purposes, only. That data is over a year old. The intervening gap between then and now makes it unrealistic to continue this survey at this point. FRANK Your Lundgren with an EPDG back is only the 3rd one I know of in 25 years of searching for another one. It appears like you acquired yours about the same time I acquired mine back in the 1980's. TED Z

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02-20-2009 05:53 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: keywayTed; The one I have was bought in Ct. I don't know if they are found in one area or not. Thanks for the info. Frank

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02-21-2009 06:39 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks for the info. My Lundgren was acquired in the NY-NJ area. TED Z

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02-21-2009 06:40 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThis list is being reprised to add a new entry and raise a question on the Adkins input....can any one confirm Adkins ? Updated list of confirmed El Principe de Gales cards (283)......Feb 21, 2009 Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Abbott Adkins...................... .............? ? Ames (hands/head) Anderson Atz Baker Ball (New York) Ball (Cleveland) Barbeau Barger Batch Bates Beaumont Beck Bell (hands/head) Bender (portrait) Bender (trees) Bergen (bat) Bergen (catching) Berger Bescher (fielding) Blackburne Bliss Bowerman B radley (portrait) Bradley (bat) Brain Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Bresnahan (portrait) Bridwell (cap) Bridwell (no cap) M. Brown (portrait) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Burchell Burke Burns BushCamnitz (arms fold) Camnitz (arms side) Campbell Casey Chance (red portrait) Chance (yellow portrait) Chance (bat) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off) Collins (A's) Collins (Minneapolis) Congalton Conroy (bat) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crandall (w/cap) Cravath Crawford (bat) Cree Criger Dahlen (Boston) Davidson Geo Davis (Chicago) Delehanty (Washington) Demmitt (New York) Devore Donlin (bat) Donlin (sitting) Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolan (bat) Doolan (fielding) Doolin Dougherty (arm/air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle (hands/head) Larry Doyle (bat) Larry Doyle (portrait) Dubuc Duffy Dunn (Baltimore)..........................new input Dunn (Brooklyn) Durham Easterly Egan Elberf eld (Washington-fielding) Evans Evers (Chicago) Evers (portrait) Ewing Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Ford Freeman Frill Fromme Gandil Ganley Gasper Geyer Gibson Gilbert Graham (Boston) Graham (St Louis) Gray Griffith (portrait) Groom Hallman Hannifan Hart sell Hemphill Herzog (New York) Herzog (Boston) Hinchman (Cleveland) Hinchman (Toronto) Hoblitzell Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (hands/waist) Hulswitt Hummell Jackson Jennin gs (portrait) Jennings (1 hand) Jennings (2 hands) Johnson (portrait) Johnson (pitching) Tom Jones (St Louis) Jordan (portrait) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Karger Keeler (portrait) Kelley Killian (pitching) Kisinger Kleinow (Boston) Kling Knight (bat) Konetchy (glove lo) Konetchy (glove hi) Krause (portrait) Kruger Lajoie (throwing) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Lou. (no ball) Lake, St. Lou. (ball) Lattimore Lavender Leach (portrait) Leach (cap) Leifield (pitching) Leifeld (bat) Lindaman Livingstone Lobert Lord Lumley Lundgren (Cubs) Lundgren (Kansas City) Maddox Magee (portrait) Magee (bat) Marquard (hands/side) Mathewson (white cap) Mathewson (dark cap) Mattern McAleese McCormick McGraw (portrait-w/cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn/Chicago) McLean McQuillan (ball/hand) Merritt Meyers (portrait) Miller (Pittsburg) Milligan Mullin (bat) Mullin (throwing) Murphy (bat) Murray (portrait) Myers (fielding) Nattress Needham Nichols Ni les Oakes Oberlin O'Leary (portrait) O'Leary (hands/knees) Oldring (bat) Overall (portrait) Overall (yellow sky) Overall (blue sky) Owen Payne Pfeffer Pfiester (seated) Pfeister (throwing) Phillippe Powell Purtell Pu ttman Quillen Reulbach (no glove) Raymond Rhoades (hands/chest) Rhoades (throwing) Rhodes Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Rudolph Schaefer (Detroit) Schlafly Schlei (catching) Schulte (back view) Scott Seymour (bat) Schmidt (throwing) Shannon Sharpe Shaw (St Louis) Sheckard (glove) Shipke Smith (Brooklyn) Smith (Buffalo) F. Smith (Chicago) Snodgrass (bat) Snodgrass (catching) Spade Spencer Stahl (glove) Stanage Steinfeldt (portrait) Steinfeldt (bat) Stephens Stovall (portrait) Stovall (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (Boston) Sweeney (New York) L Tannehill J Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thomas Tinker (portrait) Tinker (bat off) Tinker (bat on) Titus Turner Wagner (bat/left) Wagner (bat/right) Walsh Weimer Wheat White (Buffalo) White (Chicago-port) White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (arms/chest) Wilhelm (bat) Willett Willetts Willis (St Louis) Willis (with bat) Wilson Wiltse (portrait-no cap) Wiltse (pitching) Wright CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) CYoung (glove) Zimmerman TED Z

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03-03-2009 06:21 PM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: AnonymousTed, Add manning Pitching to the list. RayB

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03-04-2009 05:18 AM

T206 EPDG Back Question

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks......we are up to 284 confirmed EPDG backs. RAY....I have abbreviated your URL of this ebay lot to this one....please shorten yours as such. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370163006836" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370163006836</a> Thanks again, TED Z

Theoldprofessor

05-23-2009 01:12 PM

Ted;

Please add to your humongous EPDG list:

Keeler with bat

(Unless 37 others have already found him. Then forget the whole thing)

Bob

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