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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hello all! Todd Schultz and I are currently hard at work on a detailed article for Old Cardboard on these great sets. This board has been a great resource for hobby research projects, and we’re hoping you’ll all want to contribute to this one. <br /><br />We are not doing a full-scale population survey, but we are trying to puzzle out a number of M101-style obscurities and anomalies, and it would really help if you could report any holdings in the cards listed below. <br /><br />________________________________________<br /><br />1. <br />Do you have any of the following name/number combinations? If so, please let us know, and also tell us what backs your examples have. <br /><br />M101-5<br />#12 Beals Becker <br />#12 Lute Boone<br />#23 Forrest Cady<br />#23 Mordecai Brown<br />#59 Ray Fisher<br />#68 Geo. Gibson<br />#97 John Lavan or Lavin<br />#185 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)<br />#186 Bobby Wallace<br />#186 Zack Wheat<br /><br />M101-4<br />#8 H. D. Baird (what position is listed?)<br />#68 Geo. Gibson<br />#77 Roy Hartzell<br />#168 Oscar Stanage (only the waist-length portrait pose, not the catching pose)<br />#183 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)<br />_________________________________________________ ________<br /><br />2. <br />Can you give us a list of the numbers and names of all your cards with the following backs?<br /><br />Famous and Barr<br />Standard Biscuit<br />Burgess-Nash<br />Altoona Tribune<br />Gimbel’s <br />Ware’s <br />Successful Farming<br />________________________________________________< br /><br />Thanks so much to everyone for looking!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I have #186 Bobby Wallace. It has a Standard Biscuit back. I have about 20 M101-4/5 cards total. The Wallace is my only Standard Biscuit. I have none of the other backs that you mentioned.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I will get you my list tomorrow (probably evening) and post it here....good luck with the project....

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Posted By: <b>Mark Marvelli</b><p>Tim,<br /><br />Here is my list, just missing the big three..<br /><br />111 M-101-4 blank back Leslie Mann <br /> 60 M-101-5 blank back Max Flack <br /> 43 Block and Kuhl Jake Daubert<br />167 Burgess-Nash George Stallings<br /> 15 Famous and Barr M-101-4 Bob Bescher<br /> 52 Famous and Barr M-101-5 Larry Doyle<br /> 14 Gimbels large block print Joe Benz<br />147 Gimbels Italic print Clarence Rowland<br />197 Globe Pep Young<br /> 5 Green Joyce Leon James<br /> 61 Herp Eddie Foster<br />120 Indianapolis Clyde Milan<br /> 88 Mall Theatre William James<br />174 Morehouse Billy Sullivan<br />171 Sporting News Amos Strunk<br />180 Standard Biscuit Jim Vaughn<br /> 27 Successful Farming George Chalmers<br />150 The Tribune Reb Russell<br /> 60 Ware's Art Fletcher<br />133 Weil Rube Oldring<br /><br />Just need Holmes, Everybody's, and Gim's small block (I know, good luck)<br /><br />Mark<br />

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I have a Standard Biscuit George Sisler #166<br />I used to have a Famous and Barr M101-5 Joe Jackson #86<br /><br />I have scans if you need them.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Tim,<br /><br /> I will try to get you a list later this evening or this weekend with another post, but I have 151 cards from this set with various backs. Not many rarities (sounds redundant). I have the # 23 Brown wit a Famous and Barr back. A large number of the cards I have from this set have the Famous and Barr backs.

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>Tim, <br />I really happy to see that you are undertaking this. I have a George Gibson, number 68, blank backed. I don't collect the different backs but I have a Gimbels large block Adams #1 and in Gimbels italics I have both McInnis #117 (M101-4)and Rousch #146 (both). I know you didn't ask but I also have a Strunk (M101-4) with the Indianapolis Brewing Co. back. Best of luck.<br />Mark

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Tim, I will let you be the judge<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185451592.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Bruce MacPherson</b><p>My only m101 card is a Wares Joe Jackson #87.

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>Hi Tim,<br /><br />I have 3 M101-5 cards with Famous & Barr backs.<br />#67 Gus Getz <br />#86 Joe Jackson<br />#101 Duffy Lewis<br /><br />I recently sold 58 others. I still have the information on them if the person who bought them doesn't respond to you.<br /><br />Glad to help,<br />Scott.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>I have the Becker, Cady, and Wallace all with blank backs.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jason<br />

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Posted By: <b>Lyman</b><p>Tim, from your M101-5 list, I have the #12 Lute Boone. It has a Standard Biscuit back.<br /><br />Others that I have are:<br /> #43 Jean Dale (blank back)<br /> #47 Doak (Globe back)<br /> #48 Doak (Famous & Barr)<br /> #71 John Graney (TSN back)<br />#160 Shanks (Altoona Tribune)<br />#161 Seaton (blank back)<br /><br />Good luck with your research. I'm sure it will make a really great article. <br /><br />Lyman<br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If you could post the numbers on the cards you own it would help. I think that is a large part of figuring this puszzle out....thanks for the help.....

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I've got Jason's numbers---<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>These are all m101-5 Famous & Barr cards as they all came from the same original collection as evidenced by the same name being stamped on the back of the card.<br /><br />Shanks<br />Shawkey<br />Shore<br />Shotton<br />Smith, James "Carlisle"<br />Snodgrss<br />Stanage<br />Stock<br />Strunk<br />Sullivan<br />Tesreau<br />Thorpe<br />Toney<br />Turner<br />Vaughn<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I have 2 #68 George Gibson cards. One is a Sporting News Back and one is a blank back. When I bought the blank back it was listed as M101-5, but I obviously have no way of proving whether it is or isn't.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Richard.

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>for Mark L. Do I understand that you have two Gimbels Rousch's? Could you please confirm the spelling and the position stated on these cards? thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>Sorry if I was unclear. I have only one. As you can see, it is <br />ED. ROUSCH<br />R.F.-New York Giants<br />146<br /><br />Mark<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185489708.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185489764.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>not sure of the number can look and see if you need it.<br /><br />Scott

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Kauff..94....blank (with Barker stamp)<br />Barry..11....blank<br />Bush..20....Block and Kuhl<br />O’neill..35....Block and Kuhl<br />Ainsmith..3....Burgess Nash<br />Chalmers..29....Burgess Nash<br />Jennings..89....Famous and Barr<br />Mack..105....Famous and Barr<br />Ames..5....Gimbels small block<br />Austin..7....Gimbels large block<br />Leonard..102....Gimbels italic print<br />Wilson..192....Gimbels –italics print<br />Sisler..164....Green Joyce<br />Connolly..37....Herpolsheimer<br />Paskert..136....Herpolsheimers<br />Pierce..138....Holmes to Homes<br />Beck..12....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Burns..18....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Gardner..65....Indianapolis Brewing<br />High..81....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Wheat..188....Everybody’s Clothing<br />Beck..12....Globe<br />Veach..179....Globe<br />Bancroft..10....Mall Theatre<br />Shanks..160....Morehouse Baking<br />Wagner..(?)....Sporting News # trimmed off<br />Daubert..44....Standard Biscuit<br />Hamilton..75....Standard Biscuit<br />Jennings..89....Standard Biscuit<br />Doyle..52*....Successful Farming<br />Chapman..30....Tribune<br />Snodgrass..166....Wares<br />Morgan..126....Weil Baking<br />O’neill..135....Weil Baking<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>I have this one:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185503768.JPG"> <br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>67 Famous and Barrs<br /><br />3 Ainsmith (Have 2)<br />5 Ames<br />8 Baird 3rd Base<br />10 Bancroft<br />13 Bender<br />14 Benz<br />16 Betzel<br />18 Eddie Burns<br />19 George Burns (AL) (2)<br />20 George Burns (NL)<br />22 Byrne (2)<br />23 Brown<br />24 Callahan<br />27 Chalmers<br />28 Chance (2)<br />29 Chapman<br />31 Cicotte<br />33 Eddie Collins<br />35 Comisky (sic)<br />38 Coombs<br />39 Costello<br />44 Daubert<br />53 Dubuc<br />56 Faber<br />60 Flack<br />61 Fletcher<br />62 Foster<br />63 Fournier<br />65 Gardner<br />67 Getz<br />75 Harmon<br />77 Hendrix<br />Yes there is a gap here<br />100 Leonard<br />102 Lobert<br />107 Mamaux<br />110 Marquard<br />114 McGraw<br />115 McInnis<br />116 Merkle<br />118 Milan (2)<br />122 J. Herbert Moran<br />127 Ed Murphy (picture of him throwing, not batting)<br />128 Murray<br />129 Myers<br />132 Oldring<br />137 Pfeffer<br />140 Pratt<br />152 Saier<br />153 Sallee<br />154 Schaefer<br />157 Schmidt<br />160 Scott<br />163 Shawkey (picture is actually McInnis batting)<br />164 Shore<br />165 Shotton<br />168 Snodgrass<br />170 Stanage (Throwing)<br />177 Tinker<br />179 Veach<br />182 Viox<br />183 Vitt<br />185 Walker (picture is actually Weilman, team is St. Louis Browns)

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Posted By: <b>BlackSoxFan</b><p>Mark VL -<br />Would you mind emailing me? (see links)<br><br>Regards,<br /><br />Black Sox Fan<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a><br /><a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a><br /><a href="http://blog.blacksoxfan.com/" target="_blank">The Black Sox Blog</a>

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Standard Biscuit-1<br /><br />45 Geo. A. Davis<br /><br />No Burgess-Nash<br /><br />Altoona Tribune-5<br /><br />41 Crawford<br />66 Gedeon<br />91 Johnson<br />107 Mack<br />179 Veach<br /><br />Gimbel’s-4 (I'll worry about back variation later)<br /><br />134 O'Mara<br />139 Pratt<br />155 Schang<br />192 J. Owen Wilson<br /> <br />Ware’s-2<br /><br />96 Konetchy<br />139 Pratt<br /> <br />Successful Farming-1<br /><br />16 Bresnahan<br /><br />Let me know if you want to expand this into Sporting News, Green Joyce, Herpolsheimer's Holmes to Holmes, Indianapolis Brewing, Morehouse Baking and the Globe.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>One last note:<br /><br />M101-4<br />183 Clarence Walker (Team is the Boston Red Sox and the picture is of Walker)

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Tim,<br /><br /> Will you be trying to explain why on earth Frank Chance is included in this set -- and as a Cub???? Also, I've always wondered why Bresnahan was included, and why he wasn't pulled early like Wallace. He was out of the majors before the set was issued.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I sold a complete M101-4 set last year and still have all my scans if you need to see anything let me know.<br /><br />Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>We really appreciate the responses. If anyone has scans available that they don't mind sharing, please feel free to e-mail them to Tim or me.<br /><br />Brian (and others), feel free to expand your descriptions to include any and all backs, and differentiation among Gimbel backs would be appreciated.<br /><br />Paul, we wonder about Chance too. There is also another player who made it all the way to m101-4 without having played after 1914!

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p> <br /> Here's my list:<br /><br /> #52 Jean Dubuc/blank back<br /> #57 Hap Felsch/Standard Biscuit <br /> #59 Ray Fisher/Famous Barr<br /> #66 Joe Gedeon/Famous Barr<br /> #77 Claude Hendrix/blank back<br /> #102 Dutch Leonard/blank back<br /> #176 Jim Thorpe/Famous Barr<br /> #188 Buck Weaver/Famous Barr<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Here is a scan of the M101-4 Baird w/ C.F. designation (blank back)<br /><img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/m1014baird.JPG"><br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Gotta show Thorpe <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://webpages.charter.net/sabrjay/thorpe.jpg"><br /><br />Jay<br><br>The richest person is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Tim,<br /> I'm sure I have a few more around here I can add later, but these 2 are of an old friend:<br /><br />Blank Backed / Sporting News<br /><br /> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0024-1.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Good luck Brian<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Hey Guys,<br /><br />I have or have had:<br /><br />Good Standard Biscuit<br />O. Miller Gimbels<br />Konetchy Ware's<br /><br />Will have to provide #s when I get back from vacation.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185642150.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185642201.JPG"> <br />I have these two. Hope it helps

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Well, might as well complete the Stanage collection:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185643921.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Hartzell.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5Baker.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Donovan.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Gedeon.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Magee.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5Cook.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5High.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/M101-4Caldwell.jpg"><br /><br /><br><br><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/23.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>#83 Hooper Famous Barr <br />#8 Baker Standard Biscuit<br />#6 Archer Blank<br />#56 Felsch Blank

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hi folks-- Again thanks a million to those who have reported so far. We still need to hear from more of you! <br /><br />Please check my initial post for what we are looking for in particular, but you are welcome to send info on your entire M101-5/4 holdings if it is easier.<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Matt Curry</b><p>Hello. I read your thread and wanted to see if the Lute Boone card that you had was for sale or not. I am having quite a time finding any of these. Thanks!<br /><br />Matt

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>I have over 100 blank backs listed in inventory under vintage*investments including the elusive Wallace, Cady, and Becker. These are all blank backs.<br /><br /><br />Jason<br><br><a href="http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintage*investmentsQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintage*investmentsQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0</a>?

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Posted By: <b>ron</b><p>Hi Tim,<br />All mine are m101-4. #183 Clarence Walker c.f. Boston Redsox sporting news back<br />I have oscar robers but mine is catching sporting news back<br />#68 geo gibson sporting news back #77 roy hartzell sporting news back<br />#8 h.d Baird C.F. sporting news back<br />Best Regards<br />Ron<br /><br />Famous-barrs #144 Wilbert Robinson<br />Gimbells- #129 Mike mowery<br />Tribune-154 Ray Schalk<br />Tribune-112 Rabbit Maranville<br />holmes -#57 Hap Felsch<br />holmes -171 stengel

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Posted By: <b>Glen Turner</b><p>Tim:<br />I have #186 Zack Wheat with both Famous & Barr and Holmes to Homes Bread backs.<br /> # 23 Mordecai Brown with Famous & Barr.<br />Two of my favorites I have are #4 Grover Alexander with Holmes to Homes Bread back.<br /> # 188 Buck Weaver with blank back.

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Posted By: <b>bill</b><p>#86 famous & barr<br /><img src="http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/hsacmron/shoeless.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>M101-4 Clarence Walker #183: Boston Red Sox<br /><br />Standard Biscuit: 152 Vic Saier (Cubs); 187 Ed Walsh (WS), <br />Famous & Barr: 33 Eddie Collins (WS)<br />Indy Brewing: 144 W. Robinson<br />Globe: 183 Walker (BoSox)

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Updated with Numbers:<br /><br />W. Good Standard Biscuit #69<br />O. Miller Gimbels #122<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Thanks gang, for renewing the thread (although one of these recent posts really belongs in the BST, not here. <br /><br />We are still looking especially for info on Burgess-Nash, Famous & Barr, Herpolsheimer, and Ware's backs. If you haven't reported them yet, please let us know--<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Glen Turner</b><p>Here are lists of my Famous & Barr and Standard Biscuit.<br /><br />Famous & Barr Standard Biscuit<br />#10 Dave Bancroft #1 Babe Adams<br />#23 Mordecai Brown #56 Hap Felsch<br />#31 Eddie Cicotte #64 Chic Gandil<br />#56 Urban Faber #91 Fielder Jones<br />#65 Larry Gardner #135 Dode Paskert<br />#83 Harry Hooper #150 Reb Russell<br />#109 Rabbit Maranville #162 Ernie Shore<br />#146 Ed Roush<br />#147 Clarence Rowland<br />#152 Slim Sallee<br />#160 Everett Scott<br />#169 Geo. Stallings<br />#171 Casey Stengel<br />#186 Zach Wheat<br />#199 Heiny Zimmerman <br /><br />When I hit preview it put the lists side by side. If you have any question e-mail me.

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Posted By: <b>Mark T</b><p>How about blank back M101-4 cards?

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Posted By: <b>Kenny</b><p>I have the following.<br />M101-4 Zach Wheat Indianapolis Brewing #188<br />M101-4 Zach Wheat Weil Baking #188<br />M101-5 Zach Wheat Successful Farming #186<br />M101-5 Zach Wheat Famous Barr #186

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It looks like you collect Wheat with different backs. Probably the toughest back is the Everybody's.....and for some reason I have it with Zach on the front....go figure...<br /><br /><img src="http://luckeycards.com/pm101everybodysmalltheaterbacks.jpg">