T206 Honus Wagner Authentic Restored
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I saw this on Instagram that Mile High has a T206 Honus Wagner Sweet Caporal Back PSA Authentic (Restored) for auction in August
It previously sold on SCP Auctions on 10/31/2021 for $1,102,806 Your thoughts on "RESTORED"? Your thoughts on what it will fetch this time around? |
“Restored” is a slippery slope.
Is this the one that was missing a hunk? |
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I would have to see if someone has an article or something on its history |
You can see the creases on the top of the card that were "recolored". Two run from his head to the top of the card. There are also two in the upper right corner running from the top to the right side.
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I think this is it…
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the border trimming was left intact. |
As long as it is disclosed, it's fine. My guess is $1.5 million +
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+1 for what Adam said.
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If I had $1.5 - 2 million in my petty cash drawer, I would rather have the restored nicer looking card over the authentic ugly one.
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I have no problem with restoration either, especially when it is done well. It would like the the auction companies to show the “before” pictures alongside the “after” pictures in their catalogs.
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Wagners restored face is too rough for my liking.
Just isn’t appealing to me. |
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Nothing wrong with an extreme rarity restored
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My choice would be the original with warts and all, not Wagner version 2.0
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I'm fine with restoration as long as it's disclosed about the card. However, what happens if someone cracks this out and then resubmits it? There's no guarantee the restored indication is still there on the new flip. In this case, there are few enough Wagners that it may be easy to figure it out just by looking for previous pictures, but for other restored cards, that may not be the case.
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I am not high on restorations of cards as I feel it is a form of altering the cards. I like them as is.
With that said I understand it and we often see artwork, instruments, and other pieces restored to their original form. And they often look amazing when it is done and done run. Although I think this restoration was not as good as it could have been. and it is disclosed as restored so their is transparency so the bidders can chose if they want it or not. With that said I would be happy to have that card in either condition. but if I had the choice I would pick the original condition. From an investment point of view alot of the newer money in the hobby and not necessarily true collectors would picked the restored piece I am estimating $1.7 million |
How did they even restore this card? Did someone make a documented process of the restoration?
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When did PSA start notating restored? Why isn’t it a qualifier?
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Its amazing what money will do. If this is restored, every card altered in a similar way is restored. If independent grading companies are blatantly giving preference to certain cards/customers, then they are far more worthless than even their most ardent critics could suggest.
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I also have no issue in the world with restoring it as long as it's clearly labeled. I really like how they used that designation vs just authentic altered. It's a better descriptor for the actual vast depth of alteration done. |
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Restored by definition means that the entire card has been changed, which it has. An auth or auth altered does not describe the full breadth of change. It could in that grade make someone think it just had a press or little recolor. A restoration explains that this has had almost everything done. |
1.5 million. And what in the world did they do to that card.
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Here is a LINK to a documentation of a different restored T206 Wagner
http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_106.html This is only meant to give everyone an idea of the scope of work and to a degree how the work of restoration was done |
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I have zero issue with a card being restored as long as it's designated as such. The line unfortunately gets blurred when restored/altered cards get the number designation. |
Previous thread on this card - I'd prefer it in it's original form :D
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...agner+restored |
Definitely think it looks better restored. Not for me though. In art it’s acceptable to restore and in cards it is not. Never understood that.
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I too would take either, but prefer the worn, untouched copy.
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Once the hobby accepts restoration on cards, watch out. Because years ago, it was accepted in the comic book industry, and now it seems like there's more restored comics than untouched comics for the rare issues. Years ago, I owned a restored and unrestored Amazing Spider-Man #1, and even though the unrestored looked like a lower grade, I liked it more than the restored comic. I eventually sold both comics and the restored comic got 4 times the price of the non restored comic. Didn't expect that. I'd rather the restoration process stays away from the baseball card hobby. Once it starts, over 95 percent of the authentic or 1 graded 1952 Topps Mantles, will be restored. Because comics are like that now. The grading companies have a different color label for restored comics, and it seems like a majority of the key comics, are no longer original.
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So far I am only aware of 2 restored cards both the T206 Wagner But with the values going up and restored seeming to add to the value/investment I could see it happening on key cards |
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Perhaps we will see more restorations in the future on special cards |
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The restored Wagner in milehigh sold for $800k+/- (70%) more than it sold for in 2021. That is pretty amazing. I think it has to do with it being a Wagner, not the acceptance of restoration.
The value of all things Wagner, especially portraits, have exploded in 2023- a rather common blue M116 sold for just under $53k last night in memory lane. An SGC 3 sold for $16.8k in April of this year and a PSA 3.5 sold for $10.2k in 2021. This is not a rare card. Look what has happened to the E90-2 and Tip Tops lately. Indeed, all Warner’s have exploded, including the e92/e101 throwing and batting, the E95, the M101-4/5. Who knows what an e103 and an e104-2 would sell for. Wagner is crazy hot. The t206 is the ultimate Wagner, it’s the ultimate card. A believe the winner of the restored Wagner wanted a t206 Wagner, come hell or high water, and they didn’t care if it was restored or pulled from the ass of a gorilla. T206 Wagners are like NFL franchises. The one in Milehigh is like the Lions (who look great this year). They can’t all be Cowboys, 49ers, and Chiefs. The owner of the Lions still owns a football team and the owner of the restored Wagner still owns a Wagner. |
I agree with Ryan. The card is a T206 Wagner restored
Only nit I would pick is that every Wagner is on fire except the E254, the one I own. |
Ryan Well Said!
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Yes Ryan. I agree +1. All Wagners are benefitting from the press , popularity and incredible sells prices on the T206. I am not sure what that means for Wagner cabinets like W600, an M110, or T5 Pinkerton. All must be as rare as the T206 but obviously way less in demand. Still using the supply and demand curve from college Econ may be the simple answer. I have this W600. I can't seem to part with it yet...
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Great card Rick!! I think all cards with the Horner T206 (uniform) pose, whether facing right or left, are benefiting, whether they come on a cabinet, PC, or otherwise; many of which are pictured below. How about earlier, street clothes portrait pics (i.e., rookie cards)?
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Wow all the way thru.
Some amazing Wagner Portraits. And the prices are definitely exploding |
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