Does this article paint an accurate picture of what lies ahead for collectibles?
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someday! question is...when?
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No, because
No one really knows but:
1.). Most of the expensive cards are already in the hands of the top 10% - they don’t rely upon the 90% for valuation support. 2.). Relative scarcity: vintage cards remaining roughy same scarcity while dollars are becoming less scarce (Fed printing Trillions and looking to create new numbers after the word trillion). So inflation should help scarce assets. Now, that said, if there could be a demand shock then rather than it coming from lack of funds from the <10%, I think it could come from people not collecting cards anymore due to sports becoming less popular going forward. |
I am already hearing that leaders of the progressive wing of the democratic party plan to place an exorbitant tax on individuals' assets. This is in addition to dramatically increased income taxes.
It has not been disclosed how they will uncover and determine the value of your assets, but I imagine lots of people will be trying to hide their respective net worth, and keep their assets as stealth as possible. Regardless, personal property is a major entity that they're targeting. This will become much more apparent in the near future. |
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This article makes a lot of obvious points. The pool for yacht sales has always been small. The pool to buy a Cobb Green T206 has always been huge. I'm not seeing the correlation.
There are whale cards of course, but I enjoy the hobby because I (as a person with limited means) still have access to most of the cards I want to buy even with the limited funds I have. I just settle for lesser grades. There isn't really an equivalent of buy the card not the holder when it comes to mega yachts. |
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Joe Tinker found this out the hard way. When he retired he became a multimillionaire through Florida real-estate and lost it all in the 1929 Crash.
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You honestly believe that NP, EW, and all of the other muitimillionaire politicians are going to pass laws that takes THEIR WEALTH and the wealth of their billionaire donors? Wake up.
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Wealth Tax
Wealth like real estate holdings, bank accounts, stock portfolios....will be easy to locate and tax. Locating my Mantle stash will take some doing on their part.
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I always say it's never a Gain on your Asset Until You Sell it for a profit, it's also never a loss until you sell it for a loss. Cash is King Always has been Always Will Be. |
Well, shit, people, if you are not declaring your profits on your sales you are already committing tax fraud.
Can we leave the politics out of this discussion--just assume that we hate you and you hate us and will never agree on tax policy--and maybe we can discuss a serious issue raised in the OP as to the future of collecting rather than degenerating into a off-topic fight? There's plenty of bandwidth for political trash-talking elsewhere. |
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When it comes to collectibles, If you are an investor, stay in the top 10% of whatever you want to invest in. Buy the best 10% of cards, coins, comic books, teacups, whatever. The best 10% pretty much always goes up in value over time. Also, buy physically small items that are easy to store and move around. As the cost of shipping goes up, the value of big items tends to go down.
If you are a collector, buy the other 90%. It does not really go up much or go down much, but will give you collecting enjoyment. When you go to sell, you won't make much, but you won't loose much either. |
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Everyone should be careful of talking politics please. The thread will be locked if it goes that route. This subject can be talked about with out the political bias, I hope. :)
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As for the article, the author lost me when he said : "As we know, in a neighborhood of 100 homes currently valued at $1 million each, when a desperate seller accepts $500,000, the value of the other 99 homes immediately drops to $500,000." Not true. |
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I found that article pretty vacuous and uncompelling. A lot of heat, not much light.
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I bet the author is a real gas to hang out with; what’s his name, Chicken Little?
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I think the author connected dots that aren't even dots. Anything is possible but there would have to be a massive series of negative events to make what the author is saying even a remote possibility. So while interesting, it doesn't seem a likely outcome for much of what he/she is saying.
But...if anyone thinks there's merit to the article and wants to sell me some higher end stuff for 10% of March 2020 prices, I'm likely in....:) |
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Is all this valid? I think that the first premise overstates the relative poverty of the average American household. According to the Federal Reserve, the median net worth of such a household is $97,300. That may not sound like much, but it is more than Marx thought the average proletarian in the US would have by this stage of world history. The second premise? If the economy recovers gradually, then people gradually return to work, and the stock market doesn't collapse. Of course, if it crashes, then even the wealthy might start pinching pennies when it comes to yachts and Mantle cards. There are a lot of economists who think that the market has been too hopeful about a quick economic recovery, but not very many whom I’ve been reading are as gloomy as the author of this piece. So, I doubt it's accuracy. But time will tell. |
The article overstates a lot of stuff, and there is one thing which separates cards from most of the asset classes of the wealthy he uses as examples, which is that the cost of holding onto cards is zero.
If the wealthy need cash its more likely to be the yacht or second home that gets sold, since they pay taxes and maintenance, etc on them. Cards can just sit in a safe for free. |
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I feel snookered for even having clicked on that “article.” Just further proof the internet is a cesspool of alleged information. Won’t even bother to pick it apart, other than to say those who could afford high end assets in the first place are not going to sell because someone who stretched too far had to sell.
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And no, If I sell a million dollar house for 500k, the others around me don't drop. They stay the same and I am in adiot for selling so low. Common sense. |
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He sounds like a kid who has absolutely nothing and is jealous. He hopes everybody loses everything, so he can buy a million dollar house for 500K. As a homeowner, I am always more than happy when the values go down. It lowers my property taxes. I fight in arbitration every year or 2 to lower them. If I used that argument, they would laugh me right out of there. I have an 8-0 record with the Property Tax Board over 15 year too saving thousands! |
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DON'T BRING ME DOWN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiMQPc5aKA |
So much of what the author says is wrong or skewed to his world view. For example, the top 10% is not a small group. In the US it is 33 million people. Only a tiny percentage are currently involved in collectibles. You could easily grow this pot, even in difficult economic times.
My only takeaway from the article is that the author is not in the top 10%, economical or as a writer. |
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As many have pointed out, the article has many major flaws. To me, it is kind of headache inducing. He talks about percentage of Americans, then percentage of households, then percentage of American adults. Three very different metrics. Pick a metric and stick with it.
He also talks about "the top 10% feel poorer and less confident about future gains, and thus less enthused about borrowing and spending." How wealthy are you if your assets are obtained with borrowed money? And, who borrows money to buy baseball cards? |
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It's written by a fictional character. There's also a site manifesto. Why are we even wasting our time lol.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, does that article indicate that there's a great possibility that when this economic house of cards finally collapses, then collectibles (such as sports cards and crap) will come crashing down also? If so, I can't wait!!! Only thing is what about hyper inflation? Does that come into play at all? Does that lesser "value" of a dollar mean that we'll be paying fewer or more dollars for deflated collectibles? There's a LOT of money sitting out there and it's not all in the stock market...
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If you are insuring your collection or collectibles the value is already set.
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