Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

I'll start this show with my T205 DRUM....of course it has to be a Yankees player :)

Hey you T205 guys......Please post the current confirmed list of DRUM cards in the T205 set.

Thank you.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx75b.jpg



TED Z
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couple here.

Great cards. I actually would love to know what cards are known as confirmed T205 Drum, American Beauty Hindu etc... Is there a thread out there? Am I to assume that Piedmont 25, sweet caps, polar bears, honest long cuts, Hassan 649's exist for all cards? How about cycle? Would love to know.

http://www.t205resource.com/checklistsmaster.html

This is a newer site from a board member and because of that it seems like the list is still being edited, but it is a great start.

Excuse the others please...

http://luckeycards.com/pt205cobbbrownjohnson3x.jpg

Im Still in search of drum, :(

Thanks so much!

Confirmed Drum backs ...
 

According to T205Resource.com, there are currently 21 cards confirmed with a Drum back. I have added a link for the backs that have an image. Lets see if we can get all 21.

1) Jimmy Austin
2) George G. Bell
3) Russell A. Blackburne
4) Albert Bridwell
5) Mordecai Brown
6) Harold W. Chase (border on shirt)
7) Frank J. Corridon
8) Thomas E. Downey
9) George F. Graham (Rustlers w/ blue signature)
10) R. Hoblitzell ("Cin." after 2nd 1908 in stats)
11) Jack Knight
12) A. Latham (A. Latham on back)
13) Briscoe Lord
14) P.J. Moran (no stray line)
15) Frederick Olmstead
16) Fred Payne
17) Jack (John) Quinn
18) Lewis Richie
19) Dave Shean (Rustlers)
20) George Stone - need image
21) Harry Wolter


While looking through some Drum information, was able to find a card not confirmed on T205Resource. Currently I have not been able to find an image, but the description in the auction calls out front and back type.


EDITED: Confirmed T205 with Drum back, not listed on T205Resource.com

1) John W. Bates
2) William Bergen
3) Louis Evans
4) Thomas W. Leach - need image
5) George Paskert
6) Edward Phelps - need image


Thanks,
James

http://i57.tinypic.com/eumqop.jpg

Edited to add: I was the underbidder on a PSA 4 Stone Drum that was listed on eBay approximately three years ago. Trying to dig up the scan now...

Obviously the Bell posted above should be on the confirmed list.

oops, had a typo in my link which caused it to "disappear".

Thanks,
James

8) Thomas E. Downey - need image



Here it is...

Attachment 165576

Hey Leon
 

You certainly hit the TRIFECTA with these 3 cards......great T205's.



Leon

Please email me....something of interest to you to tell you.
tedzan11@comcast.net


TED Z
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Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx75b.jpg



Twenty-one T205 subjecte confirmed with thr DRUM back. That's only 10% of the basic number of subjects in
the T205 set. I really expected more than 21.

In fact, I will venture to predict that any (or all) of the following T205 guys will eventually be discovered with
DRUM backs............

Bates.........confirmed
Becker
Bergen.......confirmed
Evans
Herzog
Huggins
Leach
Lobert
Paskert......confirmed
Phelps
Wheat


I base this theory on my A-B-C-D connection that I have observed in the printing of the T206's with respect
to American Beauty (Black)-Broad Leaf-Cycle-Drum backs. And I think it also can be applied to certain T205
cards in order to determine the possibility of a DRUM back.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx50x.jpg


TED Z

Re: T205 Drum backs
 

Exciting thread! I have images of the following T205 with Drum backs that are not listed above - Bates and Bergen. Ted did mention these as possible in the previous post. Nice work Ted.
Also I show the T205 Paskert as confirmed with Drum back and will try and locate my scans.
Art M.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/a.../t205drums.jpg

Ted that doesn't hold true for T205's. The Cycles don't fit right. I will see if I can find my off the wall theory about back runs and post it again. I believe it may still be posted here as well as what I think are confirmed/possible Drum and Hindu backs. All this I based off back patterns.

Thanks Art
 

Your inputs (Bated, Bergen & Paskert) appear to support my theory. Let's see what develops here, should we get some more new DRUM
confirmations of T205's.


Best regards to you, Art

TED Z
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I have a couple different that aren't posted yet. I'll find them and add.

Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

Team affiliation of the 25 subjects (so far) confirmed with DRUM backs......

New York Yankees
-------------------
Austin
Chase
Knight
Quinn
Wolter

Philadelphia Phillies
-------------------
Bates
Moran
Paskert

Chicago White Sox
-------------------
Blackburne
Olmstead
Payne

Boston Rustlers
----------------
Graham
Shean

Brooklyn Superbas
------------------
Bell
Bergen

Chicago Cubs
--------------
M. Brown
Richie

Cincinnatti Reds
----------------
Downey
Hoblitzell

New York Giants
-----------------
Bridwell
Latham

Philadelphia A's
---------------
Lord

Pittsburg Pirates
-----------------
Leach

St Louis Browns
----------------
Stone

St Louis Cardinals
------------------
Corridon


Hey guys,

Let's see some more new T205 cards with DRUM backs.


Thanks,

TED Z
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My 1 Drum back is Hoblitzell

Thanks Ted....and let's throw in a pack that might have contained one..

That's interesting. I'd have thought they'd have more St. Louis players. I wonder if getting a batch with few local players made the promotion fail and caused them not to pursue doing more?

Steve B

Hey Steve
 

The DRUM roster of the T206 set has only 10 subjects from St Louis teams.

Furthermore, if you include T206 guys from Kansas City....there are 3 more.

So, it appears that the Factory location and the marketing locale of the DRUM cigarettes
is essentially unrelated to the guys American Litho chose to print cards with DRUM backs.

So, my point is that it's not unusual to see so few St Louis guys with DRUM backs in the T205 set.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ________________________________________
LOOKING for these T206 guys to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 run of OLD MILL cards (12 subjects)

..... Duffy ..... Gandil ..... Geyer ..... Hummel ..... Pfeffer ..... Sheckard ..... Tannehill ..... Wheat
.

Het Art M.
 

A 4th T205 card (Leach)....of my 11 predictions of new DRUM cards has surfaced. So far I'm 4 for 4 (Batting 1.000).

Hopefully, some more T205 guys with DRUM backs will show up. This thread is exciting (as you well said).




TED Z
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Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

Just a gentle bump....


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx75b.jpg


Hey guys......Let's not give up on finding some more DRUM cards in the T205 set. Please post any T205's you have with this rare back.


Thank you,

TED Z
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Hey Leon
 

Very nice DRUM pack....the Gold & Blue lettering suggests a 1911 timeline.

What is the date on it ?


TED Z
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Thanks Ted. No date but it is purportedly a correct pack that could have held a T205 or T206.

Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erDRUMx75b.jpg



To date twenty-five T205 subjecte are confirmed with the DRUM back.

These 25 guys are listed here with respect to their team affiliation......

New York Yankees
----------------------
Austin
Chase
Knight
Quinn
Wolter

Philadelphia Phillies
-----------------------
Bates
Moran
Paskert

Chicago White Sox
----------------------
Blackburne
Olmstead
Payne

Boston Rustlers
-------------------
Graham
Shean

Brooklyn Superbas
----------------------
Bell
Bergen

Chicago Cubs
----------------
M. Brown
Richie

Cincinnatti Reds
-------------------
Downey
Hoblitzell

New York Giants
--------------------
Bridwell
Latham

Philadelphia A's
-------------------
Lord

Pittsburg Pirates
--------------------
Leach

St Louis Browns
-------------------
Stone

St Louis Cardinals
---------------------
Corridon



Furthermore......
I have slightly revised my previous predictions here (from Post #14). I'm expecting that the
following T205 guys will eventually be discovered with DRUM backs....and, they are:

Becker
Evans
Herzog
Huggins
Lobert
Phelps
Wheat


So come on guys, let's not give up on finding some more new T205 cards with DRUM backs.


Thanks for your time and effort,


TED Z
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Hi James
 

Regarding images for your items #3 and #4......Leach and Paskert......

You had posted a link to an REA auction which depicted a T205 Leach / DRUM card.
What happened to this link ?

Furthermore, Art Martineau reported of a Paskert / DRUM card. And, if Art says it exists,
then I accept Art's verification of this card. Art's knowledge on T205's and T206's on this
forum is about the best. Perhaps an image will eventually show up.


TED Z
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Ted ...
 

... the link I had for the Leach with Drum back had no image, just "proof" that the card existed (since it wasn't confirmed on T205Resource.com). I have updated the post to include the link, but will leave the need image until one is found.

Hopefully you are not confusing my need image as "needing confirmation" that the card exists. If so, then I'm sorry as that was not my intent. I'm using that more so as a reference or reminder that an online image has not been located. There are a lot of members on this board that have a ton more knowledge on T205's than I do, and respect and trust all of them with known front/back combinations.

Thanks,
James

Let's start a T205....DRUM roll call....show us your DRUM's
 

No confusion here, James. Quite the contrary.
And thanks for posting the initial list of the 21 confirmed DRUM's. I really appreciate it.


TED Z
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Hey ChiSoxFan
 

James

Here you go......Paskert


Scan courtesy of Mark Macrae.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ertDRUMx25.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rtDRUMx25B.jpg



TED Z
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Thanks Ted ... updated my OP.


James

Updated Post #8 for Phelps ... see this thread regard T205 Drum back find: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=210671



Thanks,
James

Deleted
 

Redundant info.

Just saw this article which was posted here about a t205 drum find- had some names of drum backed t205's they just found, had a chase image - link is below for anyone who didn't see it yet
Attachment 203005

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...new-york-shop/

The T205 A-B-C-D connection
 

American Lithographic printed exactly 32 subjects with DRUM backs in the T205 set. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented last November on this forum.

A=B=C=D pattern

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg

The key factor in this A=B=C=D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The following 6 guys have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. But, they are confirmed with the A=B=C pattern. Therefore, I expect these 6 subjects will
eventually will be discovered with the DRUM back.


1......Becker
2......Evans
3......Herzog
4......Huggins
5......Lobert
6......Wheat


Hey guys,

Please chime in here if you have (or can confirm) any of these 6 subjects with a DRUM back.


TED Z
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Searching for a DRUM.....
 

..in my quest to complete my first T205 guy with the A-B-C-D pattern. Any help with completing this challenge is greatly appreciated. Theoretically there are 32 subjects
in the T205 set that were printed with the DRUM. Lobert is 1 of 6 remaining T205 cards that have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. Eventually, I expect that Lobert
will be discovered with a DRUM back......I would bet on this :)

For more info regarding the T205 A-B-C-D pattern, I refer you to this thread......http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=t205+drum



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50xx.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50b.jpg . . . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50b.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50bx.jpg






Corresponding T206 A-B-C-D pattern

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg






So guys......"make my day"....or my week....or whatever....if you have a Lobert with a DRUM back that you are willing to sell or trade please email me......

tedzan11@comcast.net



TED Z
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T205 DRUM checklist....UPDATED
 

American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented a year ago on this forum.

A - B - C - D connection

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg


The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back will NOT
be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The following 5 guys have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C pattern.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


1......Becker
2......Herzog
3......Huggins
4......Lobert
5......Wheat


If you have (or can tell us of) any of these 5 guys with DRUM backs, please chime in...... Thanks.



TED Z
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T206 Drum Backs
 

I know I am hijacking the thread a bit so dispensations asked. The subject of Drum backs got me to thinking about T206 Drum reverses and the best one I ever owned (never held a T205 Drum, ever.) It was a Griffith batting PSA 7 with beautiful violet coloring on the Drum back. (A tear rolls down the author's cheek as he reminisces.) It has long gone into some black hole when I closed down Full Count in 2003 and auctioned off the inventory through Mastro. Any T206 Drum stories?

T206 DRUM story
 

At the Willow Grove (PA) Show in 1985, a dealer had 4 nice looking T206 DRUM cards for sale. He was selling them for $100 apiece. I offered him $350 for all four.

He declined my offer. I thought about it, and returned to his table a few hours later......the DRUM's were already sold.

What a missed opportunity ! ! ! !



350/460 series example

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...feldDRUM_1.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg



TED Z
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Picked up these two recently, not new discoveries, but still Drum backs and more affordable than T206...

Hi Rob
 

Thanks for posting your DRUM's.

And, you are certainly correct....T205 DRUM's are certainly more reasonably priced than T206 DRUM's.


TED Z
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fantastic card!

Hey Jeff
 

You never cease to amaze me with your Hal Chase "goodies".

This is one really neat card. There are certainly not too many of these out there. Thanks for posting it.



TED Z
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recent drum
 

here is a recent pick up.

T205 DRUM checklist
 

Thanks lentel for posting your Patrick Moran / DRUM card.


American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented a year ago on this forum.

A - B - C - D connection

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...genABbk25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Lobert25bx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ggins25bxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rDRUMx25bx.jpg


The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back will NOT
be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The following 5 guys have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C pattern.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


1......Becker
2......Herzog
3......Huggins
4......Lobert
5......Wheat


Hey guys......let's see some more T205 DRUM cards. Perhaps we can confirm these remaining 5 guys with DRUM backs.

Thanks.


TED Z
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Drum Backs
 

Ted, here are some T205 Drum backs that I recently picked up:

Bergen
Bridwell
Downey
Evans
Latham
Richie

Great Post!

Regards,
Bryan Dec

as soon as I can get some time I will dig out my research from a few try back and post it. Would like to see how my theories compare to what you have. Had them posted to the board but deleted them after some issues with a few guys.