Real / Fake 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams
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Can anyone share some advice: Should I pay 4k for this card?
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Yea, I'd pay it
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Looks legit....if someone was going to fake it, they would probably have a centered back.....
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Yeah, but a faker might uncenter it just to give it the authentic look. Thank you for your advice! Going to buy it tomorrow!
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I never buy expensive ungraded cards. Why? Because there is usually a reason why the expensive card hasn't been graded. Some of the time, a seller will send a card to be graded and it will come back as authentic. When I see "authentic" as a grade I immediately think the card has been altered or trimmed in some way. Maybe that's what could have happened with this card and the seller decided to crack the holder and try to sell as a raw card. If I were you and shelling out that kind of money, I would protect myself by explaining to the buyer that you plan on having the card graded and if it comes back as a fake or other undesirable grade like authentic, then you would need a refund.
I recently bought a 1962 Topps Lou Brock RC and the card looked to be mint except for the fact that it is obviously shorter than my other 1962 cards. I hate it when people trim cards and say they are mint. Happens too much these days. Just my two cents... Craig from Texas |
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You really should stay away from this card... |
Even if real, too expensive for a miscut.
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I do agree with Sean. As long as you are protected by your credit card company and there is no risk to you, I would proceed with caution. However, if you are protected, keep in mind that your money could be tied up for a long period of time during the refund process. Do you know the seller? Check into his feedback. Request his phone number. Call him. You will have a better feel for transaction after talking to him.
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I appreciate all your insight. The list I just posted is the sellers entire list that I will buy for 6k. It was his fathers collection. All the signs seem like it's legit. Does this help change anyone's mind?
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Without knowing more I would say it's probably worth it for the whole deal. That being said I expect your PM inbox to get some interest too :) .....If you get it take your time selling (at least do some good research) and good luck.
I should add, I would have to see conditions of cards to be more sure.... I am basing my thoughts off of them being pretty nice and I haven't penned each value... |
On that kind of money, I would need to see the collection in person. Does he live close by? Also, him saying that these are his father's could be a clue to be skeptical. Here are some examples.
1) "I'm not an expert card grader, so please look at the scans." What he really means is: "These cards aren't that great and there are no returns period." 2) "These cards belonged to my father." What he could mean is: "I want you to think that I know nothing about these cards. That way I can't be at fault if there are any problems with them." Oh, and of course, my favorite.... 3) "My husband just had a heart attack so this old stack of mint 1952's must go!" What this usually means is: "I am that husband and I plan on making you believe I'm a widow who knows nothing about cards and will rip you off." Seriously, you need to set up an appointment at a public place if he is driving distance from you. Otherwise, at least call him. You will have a better idea once you talk to him over the phone or in person. Craig from Texas Quote:
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You are going to have trouble making money out of this deal. You are over-valuing the Williams way too much. |
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To me......they are all definitely legit. I think it's worth the $6K and like Leon said if you take your time, you should make money. Are you going to double your money--probably not unless something (or -things) grade out strong. An interesting lot of cards spanning 60 years. Love those Wilsons. A shame the Williams back is so far off kilter. That would pay for your lot if centered better. Post scans of all the cards if you get the lot!
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If everything is VG you'll do fine. You overvalued the Williams (it's maybe a $2500 card), but if you can get a PSA 2-5 from the rest you're looking pretty good. I would try to get him down to $5,000 though.
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Leave the Williams and buy for $1500-$2k
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Some of you guys are cheap and looking to take advantage.
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All cards minus williams for 1500-2k...is being cheap! Just my opinion...i am no dealer.
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Nothing personal sean...but go f$ck yourself!
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Thank you
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Yeah, You haven't contacted me to buy it but others have... I think they realize that there are only three of these cards on eBay right now and that they look beat up compared to this one... Your 1500-2000 price can buy you this card (pictured). So either way, Sean, I appreciate your insight but it seems like you are the minority here. Moreover, I looked at the couple of cards you have on your store and they seem way over priced but that's not the point. And about listing difficulties, I have my consignment source that handles all that. Some of these cards will be listed on eBay shortly. Everyone else, I appreciate your insight and advice greatly. I was able to pick up the whole lot for around 5k. If anyone wants/needs any of these cards AND you gave me solid advice/ feedback then please go ahead and message me. I'll be as fair as possible with you. |
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