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Shoeless Moe 03-25-2011 01:03 PM

Now that's a markup
 
http://www.imperialsports.net/LotDet...ggins-%26-More!

now on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Babe-Ruth-and-Mi...item3cb647c401

GasHouseGang 03-25-2011 02:03 PM

Well, at least it's real.:)

scooter729 03-25-2011 02:20 PM

Not sure I'd want to go by the name of "WIWAG" Collectibles either...

thetruthisoutthere 03-25-2011 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 881209)
Well, at least it's real.:)

Ditto.

I've received emails where a potential bidder would write "You only bought it for $75.00 (example) why do you want $399.99 (example) for it? Isn't that ridiculous?"

First of all, I won't apologize for knowing certain autographs and being fortunate enough to pick them up on Ebay for a great price (while forgeries being auctioned off at the same time were bidding at a much higher amount).

Two, I'm the one that goes through the time, effort and expense of getting the autograph certed. The majority of items that I purchase at a great price never go up for auction. No one should ever apologize for being knowledgeable and picking up great deals sometimes. We've earned it.

David Atkatz 03-25-2011 04:19 PM

Well, if he's gonna mark it up by a factor of three, the least he could do is write his own copy. ;)

Actually, the seller got an OK deal when he bought it for $2200. That's about what the ball is worth.

Gary Dunaier 03-27-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 881218)
Ditto.

I've received emails where a potential bidder would write "You only bought it for $75.00 (example) why do you want $399.99 (example) for it? Isn't that ridiculous?"

First of all, I won't apologize for knowing certain autographs and being fortunate enough to pick them up on Ebay for a great price (while forgeries being auctioned off at the same time were bidding at a much higher amount).

Two, I'm the one that goes through the time, effort and expense of getting the autograph certed. The majority of items that I purchase at a great price never go up for auction. No one should ever apologize for being knowledgeable and picking up great deals sometimes. We've earned it.

Interesting anecdote from the writer Mark Evanier about his friend, the cartoonist Sergio Aragones of Mad Magazine fame:

My best pal, Sergio Aragonés, once was selling some sketches he'd done. A browser was interested in one but blanched at the hundred-buck price tag.

"How long did it take you to draw that?" he asked.

"About a half-hour," Sergio answered.

The man was horrified: "You expect me to pay you a hundred dollars for a half-hour's work?"

Sergio showed uncommon restraint — at least for Sergio. He calmly said, "You're not paying for the half-hour it took me to do the drawing. You're paying for the forty-one years it took me to learn how to do that."
http://povonline.com/cols/COL210.htm

Shoeless Moe 03-28-2011 08:41 AM

Here's another one...
 
bought for 2900

http://www.vintagesportsauthentics.c...uth-%26-Gehrig

Now on Ebay for 5500

http://cgi.ebay.com/1927-Yankees-Aut...item35b0d90ee0

RichardSimon 03-28-2011 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 881213)
Not sure I'd want to go by the name of "WIWAG" Collectibles either...

That actually stands for When It Was A Game,,, not so bad.

dstudeba 03-28-2011 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 881843)
That actually stands for When It Was A Game,,, not so bad.

Actually it is so bad.

The hearing for sentencing was held on September 22nd in San Diego. Defendants John Slight and Craig Kreider of When It Was A Game, Inc. pled guilty to mail fraud and both were given probation. Kreider and Slight were fined $3,000 each and the corporation of When It Was A Game, Inc. also was fined $6,000.

Long, old, sordid story about switching cards out of PSA slabs. Very well publicized on the CU boards.

Shoeless Moe 03-28-2011 01:27 PM

story
 
http://www.psacard.com/articles/arti...id=3741&type=1

slidekellyslide 03-28-2011 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 881213)
Not sure I'd want to go by the name of "WIWAG" Collectibles either...

Heh! :D That was exactly my thought upon clicking that "about me" button.

RichardSimon 03-29-2011 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstudeba (Post 881900)
Actually it is so bad.

The hearing for sentencing was held on September 22nd in San Diego. Defendants John Slight and Craig Kreider of When It Was A Game, Inc. pled guilty to mail fraud and both were given probation. Kreider and Slight were fined $3,000 each and the corporation of When It Was A Game, Inc. also was fined $6,000.

Long, old, sordid story about switching cards out of PSA slabs. Very well publicized on the CU boards.

Oops,,, did not know that.

Big Dave 03-30-2011 06:49 AM

Clicked on the ebay listing and it has been removed.

Any idea why?


http://www.amazon.com/b?%5Fencoding=...&creative=9325

Shoeless Moe 03-30-2011 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dave (Post 882433)
Clicked on the ebay listing and it has been removed.

Any idea why?


http://www.amazon.com/b?%5Fencoding=...&creative=9325

Oddly if you search the sellers ID, dj3000th, it comes up as not a registered user anymore. But u can see he was still selling as of 3/25/11, he just pulled the ball and left Ebay. I guess he took his ball and went home.

I never understood that, why do people leave Ebay?

olsport 03-30-2011 09:30 PM

ebay sellers
 
Actually, I don't think sellers leave ebay. They just open a new account, if they get caught at being unscrupulous or get too many negative feedbacks. There are also others that have back up seperate secondary ebay accounts to shillbid on there own stuff if it is not selling high enough with no reserve. That way they can buy there own item back and resell it. That is what it looks like this seller did. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT They bought this with a seperate different ebay account, then had the nerve to relist it with there same original seller account here for double the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330548008311

Shoeless Moe 03-31-2011 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsport (Post 882655)
Actually, I don't think sellers leave ebay. They just open a new account, if they get caught at being unscrupulous or get too many negative feedbacks. There are also others that have back up seperate secondary ebay accounts to shillbid on there own stuff if it is not selling high enough with no reserve. That way they can buy there own item back and resell it. That is what it looks like this seller did. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT They bought this with a seperate different ebay account, then had the nerve to relist it with there same original seller account here for double the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330548008311


Good catch on that!

thetruthisoutthere 03-31-2011 07:56 AM

Sellers just don't leave Ebay, they simply get caught.

Mr. Zipper 03-31-2011 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsport (Post 882655)
Actually, I don't think sellers leave ebay. They just open a new account, if they get caught at being unscrupulous or get too many negative feedbacks. There are also others that have back up seperate secondary ebay accounts to shillbid on there own stuff if it is not selling high enough with no reserve. That way they can buy there own item back and resell it. That is what it looks like this seller did. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT They bought this with a seperate different ebay account, then had the nerve to relist it with there same original seller account here for double the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330548008311

I see this all the time with all kinds of collectibles. Essentially the seller uses a shill to create a "hidden reserve." Sometimes the shill wins.

I've asked why items have been relisted and the seller usually states something along the lines of, "Buyer backed out."

:rolleyes:

The tell is when the relisted item is listed for a much higher price or Buy it Now than what it "sold" for the first time.


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