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DanP 01-28-2010 08:00 AM

1922 Wm. Paterson
 
Does anyone on the forum collect this set? They seem to be very rare. I see a Ty Cobb card on ebay now (not my card or anyone I know). PSA has only graded 27 cards from this set.

I see from the Vintage card guide there were 50 cards in the set. It was supposedly issued in Canada. It also says they are 2" x 3 1/4" and were issued in two types: black/white and sepia.

Does anyone have any cards to show?

Thanks.
Dan

Brian Van Horn 01-28-2010 09:00 AM

Yes, I collect them and will post scans once I return home around 10:30 p.m. tonight (EST).

bcbgcbrcb 01-28-2010 12:00 PM

Dan P:

I have been looking for a Travis Jackson from the set for 6 years now, they are extremely tough to find.

Leon 01-28-2010 02:54 PM

neat poses
 
Since most, if not all, of the poses are unique to the set they are some interesting cards. I know a few collectors doing the set. They are really scarce though. Interestingly, in the 1953 ACC, Burdick said: V89 "(50) about 1 3/4 x 3 1/4 proofs. Seen in proof form, possibly not issued." and he assessed their value at a mere .03 cents each. :eek:

http://luckeycards.com/pv89patersonhuggins.jpg

V117collector 01-28-2010 03:03 PM

Congrats to the new owner!:eek:

Direct link!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-V89-WILLIAM...27164006r23810

Jim VB 01-28-2010 03:09 PM

I stand corrected.

therajah 01-28-2010 03:23 PM

1922 Wm Paterson
 
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Brian Van Horn 01-28-2010 08:24 PM

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Paterson:

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Paterson Part 2:

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Paterson Shawkey:

Leon 01-29-2010 06:51 AM

Brian V.
 
Those are some neat cards that are rarely seen. Thanks for sharing. That Daubert card looks a little like Joe Wood......take care

brianp-beme 01-29-2010 07:08 AM

Worst hobby decision
 
Back in the mid-90's one of the auction houses (before all the catalogues became glossy color behemoths) auctioned a lower grade near set of the Pattersons. I believe I was the underbidder on this as well as a D304 near set (described as being in wretched condition). I believe they both went under $1000. As the auction was nearing its close, I decided to drop out of both of these lots and pursue and win a complete set of 1955 Bowman football cards.

I don't even collect football cards, and just kept a few. The Bowmans are cool, but they sure remind me of my unfortunate choice every time I look at them.

Brian

DanP 01-29-2010 07:28 AM

Brian (and others), thanks for sharing! Great cards.

I was also wondering how rare these cards were compared to the 1923 Maple Crispette set. I looked at PSA, they graded 75 Maple Crispettes (there are 30 cards in the set). Apparently there are 50 cards in the Wm Paterson set and only 27 total graded by PSA. I did notice that SGC graded 72 cards from the Wm Paterson set.

Dan

shammus 01-29-2010 10:44 PM

Neat cards! I like the poses that are unique to this set as well as the detailed captions. Any ideas on pricing for your typical common card, etc..so a beginner might know what to expect if they decide to pursue this set?

Brian Van Horn 01-30-2010 06:33 PM

I don't know what the pricing is, but in addition to the previous link for the Cobb, this one went too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-V89-WILLIAM...item53df641544

paul 01-30-2010 09:38 PM

There are at least two types of these cards. Will's card of Heilmann used to be mine and it is on very thin stock. I have two others that are on something closer to normal card stock, but still thinner than an E121. The two that I have on thicker stock are both sepia. The thin Heilmann is a true black and white card. I've noticed that there's an assortment of black & white and sepia cards posted in this thread. Can any of you confirm whether your black & whites are all paper thin, and your sepias are thicker? Thanks.

Brian Van Horn 01-30-2010 09:41 PM

Paul,

I agree with your assessment.

Matt 01-31-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanP (Post 778702)
I was also wondering how rare these cards were compared to the 1923 Maple Crispette set. I looked at PSA, they graded 75 Maple Crispettes (there are 30 cards in the set). Apparently there are 50 cards in the Wm Paterson set and only 27 total graded by PSA.

Dan - these are MUCH tougher then MCs. To give an illustration, SGC has 231 graded MCs and only 72 graded Patersons. With 30 cards in the MC set, that's an average of almost 8 instances graded for each player, way more then the Patersons, where each player has only 1 or 2 graded.

Leon 02-03-2010 09:11 PM

another
 
another HOF'er...you really don't see these very often, as has been said.



http://luckeycards.com/pv89patersonschalk.jpg

ValKehl 02-04-2010 12:58 PM

This is one of ...
 
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... my favorite cards in my WJ collection.

Leon 02-08-2010 01:33 PM

Cobby
 
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And one more for good luck...

brianp-beme 02-08-2010 10:39 PM

Eddie Collins in mid-transformation between ok looking and Chester the Molester
 
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These cards are so rarely seen I thought I would share my one and only.

Brian

familytoad 02-14-2010 08:42 PM

V89 Carey
 
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Folks, by the time I dug up my only Paterson card and had a few minutes to scan it...this thread had almost been bumped to page 3.

I wish I had more of these in order to bump the "I hate this Auction House" threads, but this mediocre scan (card is in a screwdown holder) from an under-appreciated set will have to do for now:rolleyes:


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