Goldin
 

So does anyone know what this could be?? It was in an email I just received.......

I got that email too. First thing that came to mind was the PSA 8 T206 Wagner.

The 1869 Cincinnati Reds sale of their trophy balls, equipment and uniforms after their World Tour would probably disagree with the above statement :)

Stuff has sold for more than the Wagner. There was a Ruth jersey as I recall in SCP Auctions. Also Naismith's original rules. I would guess it's the Ruth jersey.

I doubt there would ever be a general consensus among collectors what the most historical piece of sports memorabilia piece is.

Maybe they're selling the New York Yankees franchise?

Are they doing Sheen's stuff?

Some Tiger blood ?

More than $3M?


I don't recall anything like that, please enlighten me.


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Ted Williams' Head?

My guess is that the Player's League documents coming up in the fall Memory Lane auction are more significant.

Recall last year Goldin was on TV talking up something else as being the greatest most amazing stupendous item that ever saw the light of an auction floor. Obamas first State of the Union address I think.

It's an Aaron Judge cracked bat...lol. :D

Yup. Ruth and Naismith, 1 and 2. Has to be Ruth coming up.

Henderson rookie PSA 8

Love him or hate him, Goldin's marketing/PR is something to behold.

I think the Ruth jersey is the most logical guess since the Naismith rules were supposed to be donated to KU. However, the use of the term "sports related collectable" makes me think of something other than baseball.

DJ

O J`s Bronco ?

While they are unique (Saw them at the National) I am not sure they will have the mass appeal of whatever Goldin is offering.

One of Mordecai Brown's fingers.

A 52 Topps Mantle has mass appeal, but it is just a common card. The documents in Memory Lane are probably unique and are from one of the most significant moments in baseball history.

Only if you care about that moment. I would guess most fans do not.

Film footage of the kid telling Mr. Jackson, "Say it Ain't So, Joe"! Of course, it's silent and uses intertitles, but still....

Ok, I'll play...the way it's being hyped up, it's gotta be something like...

Ruth Red Sox Uniform
Joe Jackson Uniform
PSA 10 1952 Topps Mantle

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers organization?

I was thinking the uniform Jackie wore in his debut.

Steve

That would be impressive

lmao

SCP sold a Ruth jersey for $4.4 million a few years back
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/7...ord-44-million


Based on the wording I don't think this would be a card.

It seems like it would have to be linked to both a player (or possibly a person who is not an athlete) and an event that has great significance.

For the player to matter enough they would have to be transcendent, so there's not a huge list:

Ruth, Gehrig, Jackie Robinson and maybe a couple others in baseball, Jordan in basketball (don't think anyone else comes close), don't think anyone in football or hockey is there. Boxing has Ali. Not sure anyone in golf matters that much. Anyone in the Olympics?

Beyond that there could be non-sports personalities although I can't think of too many options right now. Maybe the golf equipment used on the moon?

If he is saying truthfully it's the most valuable, then it's already sold at least once, and that makes it the Ruth uniform. Otherwise no way to know.

IF it has sold once, wonder why he is saying they cannot reveal what it is. What is the shroud of secrecy??

Squirrel
 

St Louis Cardinals' Rally Squirrel

Hype. Of course he can reveal it even if it hasn't sold before, I would guess, but saying he can't adds to the hype. If he revealed it in advance who would pay attention to the press conference?

Ken said on GUU it will be the first sports related item to sell for 8 figures.

If it's a new item it will be interesting to see whether the provenance is controversial.

I am sure it is every bit as real as the Babe Ruth catchers mitt.:)

Jay's non baseball card guess is just a year off. It's Cy Young's Cleveland Spiders full uniform along with other rookie items. It will be a massive once in a lifetime group of items that has never been to auction.

Not after the last time Goldin was called out here. He lawyered up, sent cease and desist letters and it was business as usual. People could not remove their posts fast enough.

Doubt even a collection like that would get to 8 figures though. Cy Young these days doesn't have that kind of cache.

Tom C

this....

Good call on Jackie debut uniform. That's the only possible (single) piece that could truly fetch 8 figures.

If your posts stick to facts the law is on your side. Doesn't mean you want to get embroiled in a lawsuit even if you are going to win, but the truth is ALWAYS a good defense in a case like that. Of course if what was posted here was conjecture that may hurt his sale, then he probably did the right thing.

Could also be the White Bronco, because it will be on pawn stars on monday night. So maybe they made a deal for the car and will be at the press conference later in the week with Ken? But I doubt that would be worth anywhere near 10 million

No way it's the Ruth uniform. Thomas Tull owns that and I doubt he needs the money. Does anyone know if he's a member on here? He has one of the most incredible collections known.

I do not think that he owns the Ruth uniform anymore.

Only items I can think of would be Wagner PSA 8 or a Mantle PSA 10 and don't think either are coming available for sale IMO.

KC

Second guess is a newly discovered Old Mill rookie Cabinet of Joe Jackson.

I don't think that any card (or postcard) could draw eight figures. I can think of only two players whose uniforms could even get close to this number-Ruth and Gehrig, and it would have to be a very special uniform. I doubt any Jackie Robinson uniform would even be close. My bet is that it is Gehrig's uniform from his "luckiest man" speech.

Ruth Uniform?
 

Jay - you just planted a seed....how about Babe Ruth's called shot Uniform and/or bat?

Jay- Lelands sold the luckiest man speech uniform around 1999.

An [authentic] Joe Jackson 1919 uniform could fetch millions (I doubt 8 figures though).

I think the only piece that could approach 8 figures would be Jackie's debut uniform. Such historical importance.

Delete.

The 1919 Black Sox stolen confessions, would really like to see those surface again.

While anything is possible...
I have a hard time believing that Robinson's debut uniform could fetch 10 million.
Something from Ruth? Yes. ....Gehrig? Possibly, but doubtful. .....Robinson? No.

I'll rephrase. I'm not sure any one piece could reach $10M...I just believe that uniform could/would set records. If you watch Ken Burns' Baseball documentary, woven throughout the 10 episodes is the overarching theme that, along with Ruth, Robinson was the single most important figure in the game.

Well, I guess we'll see what Ken's got, soon. No pressure on him now. ;)

Isn't the luckiest man jersey in the hall of fame now?

I do not think that he owns the Ruth uniform anymore.

He did as of last year. I saw it, and had a picture taken of it.

To me, the only two figures that would garner enough outside money to have any chance of reaching $10,000,000 would be Ruth or Jackie. No other sports figure in any sport could come close to that number I do not think. And even with Jackie or Ruth, it would be maybe only one item that could do it. For Jackie it would be his first game jersey. The historical significance of that piece would rightfully garner interest the world over. The only Ruth piece would be a rookie Red Sox jersey. Perhaps a Baltimore jersey.

If I had to take a guess which of the three above jerseys would go for the most money, my money would be on Jackie's first jersey. Assuming enough outside interest is brought in.

Tom C

Maybe the Babe gave a St. Mary's uniform to the same guy as he gave his catcher's mitt. :)

J.C.'s post seems to be more than a guess though, it sounds like he knows it's Cy Young.

Received confirmation that he no longer owns it.

didn't goldin previously advertise a babe ruth contract he was selling as a 10 million dollar item?

Received confirmation that he no longer owns it.

Damn. I got to see it (backstage) as part of a travelling exhibit. Incredible.

The PSA 8 Wagner would. Kendrick has turned down 10 million for it, but I don't think he would sell it.

Is this a fact? Never heard that before.

Someone would pay 10 million for the Wagner? Even after the truth behind the card came out?

The truth has been known about that card well before Mastro's admission and it never hurt the selling price.

Unopened case of '52 Topps?

Freshly dredged from the bottom of New York Harbor, how's that for provenance?

With fisherman's notarized letter of provenance

It sold for 2.8 mil only 10 years ago before the Mastro admission. You think it'll appreciate 5 times along with the admission?

Yes. That card, or one of the 52 Mantles in PSA 10 could easily go for 10m.

It would actually be less than 4x in appreciation by the way.

Appreciate the appreciation. Agree to disagree.

My comment was not supporting the value of the Wagner at 10 mil were it to come to market but to point out to you that every person who has owned it knew the history before buying and paid up for it anyway. Again, Mastro's admission does not change the value of the card, imo. PSA is never buying it back so it is an 8 because we all know the flip rules.

Finally whatever item it is that Goldin will be auctioning will most likely sell for considerably less than his promotional tour will suggest.

Ah, that's the issue, I'm talking about more than one admission. There's the admission that the card was trimmed, but also the admission of shill bidding in their auctions. That sale price was the highest bid, but maybe not truly the sale price, which could mean that 2.8 million is not really the benchmark for that card.

Maybe it's Walt Williams' neck :rolleyes:

Not expecting many people to get it, but was inspired by the Mordecai Brown post.

The sale at 2.8 million was a private sale. This card was not part of the shill bidding that took place at Mastro Auctions.

Ah, did not realize that.

Maybe it's the map from Time Bandits?

Now that's funny.....Although I would think such a map would sell for much more than 8 figures

It's a time machine that can only be used once. This machine will allow you to take a trip back in time and see whatever sporting event LIVE that you would like to see.

If you had a spare $10 million dollars laying around that you could spend frivolously would THAT be something you would spend your money on?

David

Unopened box of 120 packs 1933 Goudey.