fake psa flips
there are many fake flips out there especially on psa 6 aaron rookies...be careful...cards are real but much lower grade...there may even be one on net54 right now...not saying there is...but be careful
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can you show us what to look for? |
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Hey Larry, don't beat around the bush. You messaged me earlier today saying my card was fake. I gave you a very thoughtful response explaining that another member questioned the authenticity (via Ebay, turned out to be a Net54 member and great guy), and I thanked him for letting me know....took it immediately down, called PSA...sent it to PSA for a $85 review and 2 day express service. They reviewed it... which I explained to you...then you have the nerve to still say it's a fake - and demanded to see my invoice. Keep in mind, you have no interest in the card, you are just busting balls. So do me a favor, if you are going to accuse me of anything, man up and do it - stop being passive aggressive. Don't say "there may even on one on net54 and be careful" Here is the email from PSA after I sent them the card, (identities protected) Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:16 AM To: Michael Subject: RE: PSA Aaron Mr. xxx I hope you are well and apologize for the delay in my response. I will assist in having your Aaron card reviewed, and should the unfortunate instance occur where the card is deemed unauthentic, our operations manager would work with you regarding a remedy for the troubles. Again, I hope you are well, apologize for the delay, and look forward to working with you further. Best, xxx PSA Operations @collectors.com |
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I am the afore-mentioned member and great guy that Canofcorn referred to. A buddy of mine was looking for an Aaron rookie and sent me a pic from ebay of a psa 6 Hank that looked all wrong to me. I suspected it was one of the fakes from the Califoria scam years ago. I sent an email to the seller, who IMMEDIATELY pulled it from his store. He asked me for my number and i texted him the links of the fake Aarons. Eventually I asked him if he was on net54 and came to find out it was Canofcorn (he has a different ebay handle). I had never communicated with him before, but his catchy name rung bells.
Anyway, i got a text like two weeks later from him telling me (in jest) that i cost him $100 on the regrade. That the card came back with a 6 in the new holder. He sent me a picture (same as the one he posted here on net). It is the same card he was selling on ebay, only now in a new psa holder. I can tell you with 100% certainty that Canofcorn, unlike many ebayers would, pulled the card and verified its authenticity rather than pawning it off without knowing. While I agree with the OP that the card seems a bit overgraded and has some characteristics that forgeries tend to have, I know for certain that Canofcorn had it re-slabbed and it passed muster with psa. Canofcorn is right. You really shouldnt post things about other members without knowing them to be true. It is irresponsible. |
I've done a couple of deals with Mike and have had nothing but positive interactions. Well stated response Mike, I think you went above and beyond to prove to him that the card is not a fake. I know a lot of people would not have taken the moral high ground and tried to sell it if it was possibly a fake. You didn't , you sent it off for verification, that says a lot about a persons character.
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Amazing. I hope there is more backlash for posting false fraud accusations on this site than there was for posting a joke about a cat.
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Here is a good link. What made me think Canofcorn's card was fake was the black arms and blurry hat on the fielding pose. Also here is a prior Net link discussing it. But it appears bad lighting was to blame. http://bbcemporium.com/california-craigs-list-psa-scam/ http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-131004.html |
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For the record, Mike is an honest guy and hearing that he pulled it from eBay and paid good money to have it reviewed goes a long way in my book. |
Aaron
No one said the card was fake
No one said you made a fake slip And no one said you switched cards What was said is that theres a very good chance that the flip is fake since the card cant possibly grade a 6 unless the grader was blind...if in fact psa reviewed this card and kept the grade as a 6...then clearly they just didnt want to pay you the smr of a 6 as per their guarantee Personally i would still like to see the invoice That shows you paid for a grade review and a reholder |
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Just my 2 cents. |
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aaron
thank you
that is correct i mentioned no one the card holder came on here to tell us himself |
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You proceed to create a thread - saying there might even be one on Net54, and I'm the only one with a PSA 6 on net54 You continue to bash my card saying the grader must have been blind - when I am actively trying to sell it here (would you want anybody saying anything derogatory about your '52T Mantle you are trying to sell here?) And you still have the nerve to want to see my invoice.....(It will cost you $114 to see it) |
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Some cards are stronger and some cards are weaker in certain grade, and you can't only judge it by the corners. Some cards has great corners but color fade so bad.
check out this mantle, corners are great, but look at the bottom edge color, looks like stain http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-RED-HEA...p2047675.l2557 |
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aaron
nobody accused him of anything
i never mentioned his name or his card there are 1000s of fake flips out there and there is no way on earth this particular card grades a 6 its a 4 at best and more likely a 3 i sincerely doubt psa reviewed this card and maintained the grade of 6 if the flip is real and the card hasnt been switched then the owner of this card....should have learned a lesson....buy the card not the holder the thread was nothing more than a warning to everyone that there are many fake flips out there and based on todays prices i would demand psa buy the card at the going rate as per their guarantee |
Three things in life I don't like
1. Warm beer 2. Wet toilet paper 3. Anal retentive supposed know it alls Numbers 1 and 2 don't apply to Larry.... |
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Larry,
PSA reviewed the card to determine if it was authentic or not ( a fake ). That is all PSA did. They did not regrade the card. The card was graded years ago so there is no need to regrade the card, and PSA applied a new label ( as evident with the PSA hologram ) and holder. The registration number did not change. You've been on the board for a number of years and know that grading is subjective. We have all seen cards graded 5's that should be 7's, and 7's that should be 5's. What ever the case, the card graded what it did at the time. Mike has a nice PSA 6 Aaron, that MOST of us would love to have. He appears to have gone above and beyond to relieve any doubt about the cards authenticity. |
Aaron
Obviously you are completely unaware of the actual situation...NOBODY claimed the card wasnt real
And it was not sent in for that purpose..if it was sent in at all..which i doubt...PSA GRADING GUARANTEE....read it...since hes selling the card anyway psa would happily give him current market value if they made a grading error....if there is someone on this board who believes that card is exmt....i have many many baseball cards in that condition id like to sell for exmt prices.... |
You can't passively state "there may be a fake PSA 6 up for sale on the board". That's just shenanigans and in absolute poor character; not becasue you posted it, but becasue you won't stand behind your accusation. Just becasue you didnt directly point it out, does not mean you are not 100% implying that that is the particular card that you are referring to. The only credence is that you only stated that it could be a fake (becasue you have zero proof that it is). In that case, I think that you are justified in trying to solve your doubts and relay them, but you better be able to walk the walk and you are now playing dumb.
You called him out, so now you have to either prove it, or at least say that you can't. How would you like it if someone said: "There may or may not be a 52 Mantle SGC 6 floating around the boards that is most likely a fake. The price may or may not have been dropped a half dozen times. If said card and post existed, it's obviously not being sold becasue it is probably a fake.". I'm sure you would be pissed as just the slightest amount of doubt in the authenticity of a card with turn off any buyer. In one hand, pointing out possible counterfeits/fakes/scams is important. However, you can't be frivolously doing it (not saying that you were). What does need to happen though, is when you have been proven wrong, you need to make it right and say that you were wrong; not cower behind your keyboard and playing ignorant and dumb. |
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He did not grade the card. PSA did. At this point, the grade is not the issue. PSA graded the card, reholdered the card, and it is what it is. |
aaron
im still waiting for the proof
he is refusing to show his receipt for sending in the card for review instead he shows a probable fake email.....if you send in a card for review they get it just like any submission...look at it and send it back....an apology email?..and they dont reholder for free...that card would be an additional 35 for reholder if his story is true...then with the reholdered card he received a copy of the invoice and receipt lets see it as for the flips...aaron rookies ruths and mantles are the most common cards being switched...people should be on the lookout.....that card is 3 grades off thats sets off a red flag....doesnt mean the flip is fake....but id be cautious |
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The apology email appears to be simply for a delay in responding. The card has clearly been reholdered. The fee for this service is $7, not 35, for a card with a declared value under 5k. Whether or not you feel the card is over graded is irrelevant. I think your sgc 6 Mantle with major centering and tilt issues is over priced and over graded. But I wouldn't start a thread about it. |
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Stop with the witch hunt. |
reholder is the cheap part, the shipping/return shipping+ inusrance probably cost another $50
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You did the stand up thing the stand up way, and happy to hear the card was solid. Ignore the noise, and enjoy the day :) Best, MC |
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But something tells me that if Larry thought the email was fake, he'll probably think the screen shot is too. I doubt Mike will get an apology. |
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aaron
boy...u must be blind this cards a 4 and its way nicer than your 6
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aaron
thank you
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Appreciate the kind words from everyone...well, almost everyone.
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Sometimes people do more harm than good as is the case here. Some good but over zealous intentions put the card holder out of some serious green. Almost everyone on this board probably doesn't need to be told to use caution when purchasing cards, even graded ones. Myself I wouldn't be so worried with someone switching cards or flips but more worried that PSA slabbed a counterfeit or altered card. I just think people should be more discreet when calling out a card or case as fake. Look at all the trouble this has caused. Crazy indeed.
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I am not looking for further detail as I don't need, nor want to know. Just stating, I am sorry for appearing to defend the accuser when I didn't know what was fully going on at the time. |
Mike > Larry. I love when people are proved absolutely wrong and still try to find ways to save face. There may or may not be a member on this board who cannot face the facts when presented with them....and it's not Mike.
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....and he may have just been schooled, not saying he was, but he may have been. Geez, what a waste of a thread. Good luck with your card. |
Just "cleanse" the flip like Larry did on his SGC 80 Mantle. Then nobody will ever know what card it was, or be able to research what you paid for it
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