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Sterling Sports Auctions 04-16-2012 01:20 AM

HELMAR: Why would you make such a card?
I came across this card and found it quite distasteful. I would love to here the logic for making the card and eve the title "Carl Mays Lets one Loose". I know the person behind the cards reads the board. Will we be seeing a Marichal/Rosboro card soon or other cards depicting tragedy in baseball?

Truly Tasteless,

Lee Behrens

camlov2 04-16-2012 01:43 AM

Have to agree with the OP, also on the back of the card where it talks of Chapman and says "Cleveland's second place finish in 1919 maybe foreshadowing of a great year to come for Chapman."

A for artwork, F for topic selection.

Ladder7 04-16-2012 07:10 AM

A rehash of the beaning is tragedy that strangely sells.

Player cards pulling big $, long after they've passed is just plain whacky noo noo. But, I've been wrong before.

yanksfan09 04-16-2012 07:33 AM

I saw this too and was thinking the same thing. Probably should have just left it alone.

Orioles1954 04-16-2012 08:03 AM

I honestly don't see the issue.

bbcard1 04-16-2012 08:11 AM

I don't see the value of Helmar in general.

Pup6913 04-16-2012 09:38 AM

Lee are you sure your not upset at the comment made about his pitch being similar bowling in Mays bio:D

I like some of the cards designs but would not buy any FWIW

slidekellyslide 04-16-2012 10:34 AM

Maybe Helmar can buy up some of the Clemente wreckage and insert tiny pieces into cards. :rolleyes:

D. Bergin 04-16-2012 11:00 AM

Probably could have used another headline but otherwise I don't have a problem with the card.

The two players are intertwined in baseball history, morbid as it may be.

It's silly to ignore the connection like it never happened.

Maybe it's because I come from the boxing world, where events like this become part of the general discussion of the history of the sport.

Griffith/Paret, Davey Moore/Sugar Ramos, Mancini/Kim, etc..

You just can't separate the men or the events that transpired, regardless of what the rest of their careers entailed.

BTW, I don't own any of the Helmar cards, but I sure do like them. I find it a bit odd that the same people who complain that "they don't make cards like they used to", also complain about these cards.

I'd most likely pay a premium for one of these, then I ever would for a Strasburg Silver Chrome Diamond Cut Space Patch card. :D

milkit1 04-16-2012 12:17 PM

yeah I dont understand the problem either? the "carl mays lets one loose" title has nothing to do with the beaning. it s the title for the middle picture just like the original t202s were. regarding putting the two players together being tasteless, how so? it happened. just like the black sox our the nolan ryan/robin ventura fight its a part of baseball history. pig headedly ignoring these things seems silly. comparing the card to the clemente crash is also rediculous as the crash itself had nothing to do with baseball. the beaning happened DURING a game and is every bit a part of the games history as any other famous play and I see no difference between doing a t202 style chapman/mays card and doing a merkle/evers card.
regarding the "great year to come line", chapman had a good year in 1919 so why not speculate that 1920 would have been even better?

oh and I am the one that wrote that card, other then the title itself which wasn't mine. I am also proud to say I wrote the other hassans. rest assured there wont be any clemente/fateful landing/airplane cards in the future but if I get to write a merkle/not touching second/ evers card ill be very happy to do so. I might even mention bonehead once or twice, space permitting.

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