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Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: AlanI'm just trying to list & identify, & get info on the top 10 or so rarest vintage cards of Jewish players. This probably is NOT correct, but he's a go at it (not in any particular order). Can you experts on the board please offer your corrections, thoughts, opinions, etc,... Thanks very much. Alan Jesse Baker - Obak T212 # 205 Jesse Baker - Zeenut Ike Danning - Zeenut Guy Zinn - 1914 Orioles card ? Moe Berg - 1929 R316 Sammy Bohne - 1921 Neilson's V61 Moxie Manuel - T210 Old Mill Ed Mensor - 1913 Pirates Voskamps Barney Pelty - 1903-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Lipman Pike stuff Barney Dreyfuss - 1910 Tip Top Bread Andy Cohen - 1933 Worch Cigar Minors

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: jamieWithout a doubt, the toughest (and most expensive)is the 1914 Baltimore Orioles Schedule. Lipman Pike "cards" don't exist. Zeenuts are a popular set- competition is pretty heated for MOTTs but I don't know how rare they are.

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Posted By: Zach RiceGuy Zinn's 1914 Baltimore News is no doubt the toughest out of all of them. In no real order I say these are the next three toughest. Moxie Manuels T210 because of it being part of the final series and toughest series in the set, series 8. Barney Pelty's Sporting Life Cabinet, i'm sure others can chime in much more on this but usually finding one particular player who is not a hall of famer can be a great challenge. And finally, Ed Mensors 1913 Voskamps. A few in the set show much more than others (Ferry, O'Toole, Hyatt, Miller) but besides the few we see of them every once and a while the others are extremely difficult to find and have very few existing examples to be found.

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: Gilbert MainesI have been looking for Wheaties Series 15, individual serving size cards, measuring 2 5/8 by 3 7/8 inches, for quite some time, with little luck. Id say Greenburg's card from that set is pretty difficult. But Im not sure it stacks up with some of the rarities above.

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Posted By: jamieThis might help expand your list a little- this is just pre 1940 releases of Jewish ballplayers. Though I'm sure there are some tough cards from the 50's and 60's (particularly of Koufax and Greenberg), these will probably represent the real scarcities. 1.Moe Berg 1929 Portraits and Action R316 4 Moe Berg 1930 Chicago Evening American Pins 11 Moe Berg 1930 White Sox Team Issue 3 Moe Berg 1933 Goudey 158 Moe Berg 1933 Goudey Canadian V353 84 Moe Berg 1934-36 Batter-Up 149 Moe Berg 1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 6 Moe Berg 1937 BF104 Blanket 2 Moe Berg 1939 Play Ball 103 Moe Berg 1940 Play Ball 30 Moe Berg 2.Sammy Bohne 1916 Zeenuts 100 Samuel Bohne 1919 Zeenuts 15 Samuel Bohne 1920 Zeenuts 122 Samuel Bohne 1921 Neilson's V61 67 Sammy Bohne 1921-24 Exhibits 12 Sam Bohne 1922 E120 166 Sammy Bohne 1923 Maple Crispette V117 20 Sam Bohne 3.Andy Cohen 1928 W560 Playing Cards * H13 Andy Cohen D, S 1932 Minneapolis Millers Wheaties 4 Andy Cohen 1933 Goudey 52 Andy Cohen 1933 Goudey Canadian V353 52 Andy Cohen 1933 Minneapolis Millers Wheaties 3 Andy Cohen 1933 Worch Cigar Minors 15 Andy Cohen#{Fielding 4.Sid (Syd) Cohen 1928 Zeenuts 128 Sid Cohen 2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 54 Syd Cohen 5.Phil Cooney 1909-11 Obak T212 209 Phil Cooney 1909-11 Obak T212 383 Phil Cooney 2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 20 Phil Cooney 6.Ike Danning 1926 Zeenuts 45 Ike Danning 2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 41 Ike Danning 7.Milt Galatzer 1933 Mrs. Sherlock's Pins PB5-3 4 Milt Galatzer 1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 64 Milton Galatzer 1935-36 Diamond Match Co. Series 3 Type 1 57 Milton Galatzer 1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 28 Milton Galatzer 8.Jonah Goldman 1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 21 Hunnefield#{J. Goldman#{Ed Morgan#{Wes Ferrell 9.Izzy Goldstein 1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 70 Isidore Goldstein 2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 50 Izzy Goldstein 10.Jim Levey 1932-34 Orbit Gum Pins "Numbered" 55 Jim Levey 1932-34 Orbit Gum Pins "Unnumbered" 40 Jim Levey 1933 Tatoo Orbit R305 40 Jim Levey 11.Moxie Manuel 1910 Old Mill T210 547 Moxie Manuel 12.Erskine Mayer 1915 Cracker Jack 172 Erskine Mayer 1916 Sporting News M101-5 112 J.E.(Erskine) Mayer 1917 Collins-McCarthy E135 110 J. Erskine Mayer 1917 Sporting News M101-4 114 J.E.(Erskine) Mayer 13.Ed Mensor 1909-11 Obak T212 364 Edward Mensor 1913 Pirates Voskamps 13 Ed Mensor 1917 Zeenuts 31 Edward Mensor 1918 Zeenuts 28 Edward Mensor 14.Buddy Myer 1928 W560 Playing Cards * C6A Buddy Myer S 1929-30 Exhibits Four-in-One 32 Sam Rice#{Jack Hayes#{Sam P. Jones#{Buddy M. Myer 1931 Senators Team Issue Photos W-UNC 25 Charles Myer 1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 32 Ossie Bluege#{Joe Judge#{Sam Rice#{Buddy Myer 1933 Goudey 153 Buddy Myer 1933 Goudey Canadian V353 78 Buddy Myer 1933 Worch Cigar 91 Buddy Myer 1934-36 Batter-Up 19 Buddy Myer 1934-36 Batter-Up 133 Buddy Myer 1934-36 Diamond Stars 4 Buddy Myer (34G,35G,36B) 1935 Al Demaree Die Cuts R304 66 Buddy Myer 1935 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-5 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Earl Whitehill#{H. Manush#{Fre 1935 Goudey Puzzle R321 8H Kuhel/White/Myer/Stone 1935 Goudey Puzzle R321 9H Kuhel/White/Myer/Stone 1936 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-6 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Earl Whitehill#{Ossie Bluege#{ 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premiums R314 A78 Buddy Myer 1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 57 Buddy Myer 1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 95 B. Myer/C. Dressen MG 1936 World Wide Gum V355 132 Buddy Myer 1937 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-7 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Jonathan Stone#{Joe Kuhel#{L.N 1937 O-Pee-Chee Batter Ups V300 114 Buddy Myer 1938 Clopay Foto-Fun R329 62 Charles Meyer 1938 Exhibits Four-in-One 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Jonathan Stone#{Wes Ferrell#{R 1939 Play Ball 100 Buddy Myer 1940 Play Ball 17 Buddy Myer 15.Barney Pelty 1903-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 294 Barney Pelty 1909 H.H. Bregstone PC743 41 Barney Pelty 1909 Ramly T204 93 Barney Pelty 1909 T206 285 Barney Pelty 1909 T206 286 Barney Pelty#{St.L. AL#{VERT 1910 Ju Ju Drums E286 33 Barney Pelty 1910 Sweet Caporal "Domino" Discs 97 Barney Pelty 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins 54 Barney Pelty 1910-11 Sporting Life M116 114 Barney Pelty S9 1910-13 Red Cross T215 62 Barney Pelty 1910-13 Red Cross T215 148 Barney Pelty 1911 Helmar Stamps 63 Barney Pelty 1911 S74 Silks 35 Barney Pelty 1911 T205 137 Barney Pelty 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 1B Wallace/Pelty 1912 T207 Brown Background 148 Barney Pelty 16.Jimmie Reese 1925 Zeenuts 38 Jim Reese 1926 Zeenuts 87 Jim Reese 1927 Zeenuts 61 Jim Reese 1928 Exhibits PCL 21 Jimmy Reese 1929 Zeenuts 81 James Reese 1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 26 Lyn Lary#{Geo. H. Babe Ruth#{James Reese#{Henry L. 1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) 10 J.Reese/J.Reese 17.Harry Rosenberg 1930 Zeenuts 67 Harry Rosenberg 1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) 40 Harry Rosenberg 1937-38 Zeenuts 25 Harry Rosenberg 1937-38 Zeenuts 49 Harry Rosenberg 18.Al Schacht 1922-23 Kolbs Mothers' Bread Pins PB4 24 Al Schacht 1931 Senators Team Issue Photos W-UNC 28 Al Schacht CO 1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 160 Al Schacht CO 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premiums R314 A92 Al Schacht 1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 98 Nick Altrock/Al Schacht 1936 R312 Pastel Photos 40 Nick Altrock/Al Schacht 1936 World Wide Gum V355 29 Al Schacht 1939 Play Ball 113 Al Schacht 1940 Play Ball 116 Al Schacht 1979 Red Sox Early Favorites 15 Tom Daly CO#{Al Schact CO#{Herb Pennock CO 1987 Conlon Series 2 9 Al Schacht 1993 Conlon TSN 920 Al Schacht 2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 31 Al Schacht 19.Phil Weintraub 1936 World Wide Gum V355 135 Phil Weintraub 1937 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-7 4 Botchi Lombardi#{Paul Derringer#{Lew Riggs#{Phil W 20.Guy Zinn 1914 Baltimore Orioles Schedules 9 Guy Zinn

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: warshawlawDon't forget Sammy Bohne's Exhibit PC back card. I'd say one of the toughest ones is the 1928 Exhibit PCL Jimmie Reese card. I've never seen one and know of only a couple of complete sets ever transacting. That would be the Holy Grail of Jewish player cards for me.

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: jamiewhat the hecht, let's add some color to this thread <img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/wassermj/Vintage/cjmayer.jpg"><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/wassermj/Vintage/cjmayerb.jpg"> <img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/wassermj/Vintage/30024591.jpg"> <img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/wassermj/Vintage/bd_1.jpg">

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Posted By: AlanThanks SO MUCH, Jamie !!!! Alan

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Posted By: BradIf any one has the 1923 Maple Crispette V117 20 "Sam Bohne" I'd be very inretested! Please Contact Me! business_1012002@yahoo.ca Brad

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Posted By: Zach RiceThis is the closest thing I have to show you for the Voskamp's Mensor, right between Wilson and Booe <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/5663/voskamos0eo.jpg" border="0" width="267" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

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Posted By: Mark EvansMensor is also identified on the Fatima Pittsburgh team card. I've always thought team cards were pretty neat, especially where players are identified, but I realize not everyone may share this view. Mark

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Posted By: AlanZach - Nice !!! I've never seen that card before. Thanks for sharing !!! Alan

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Posted By: AnonymousNOT for sale: <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1149561383.JPG">

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Posted By: BrianWhat about the 1888 SF Hess Levy (minor league) card? I have only seen one other, besides Leon's. Spectacular.

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: leonI forgot about Levy. I heard a story that he might not have been Jewish. It sure is a Jewish name though. Beckett used to have a slightly higher price on him for this reason..... since there might be a little more demand for a Jewish player. If anyone knows for sure I would like to know. It just happened that this is my type card for the set.. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1149565788.JPG">

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Posted By: BrianLeon, thanks for posting it. Either way, that is one great card. I saw one at a National a few years ago, with the bottom trimmed off, and they were asking $10K. If I had the money, I'd make you an offer (not that you would part with it).

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Posted By: AlanLeon - I don't think he's Jewish. He isn't on the <a href="http://www.JewishMajorLeaguers.org" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.JewishMajorLeaguers.org</a> "official" list, at least. Alan

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: jamiethere are no "smoking guns" when trying to identify someone's faith by their surname but 'cohen' and 'levy' are the two most popular jewish last names (and offer a pretty high probability). my research and collecting tastes stay with those who made it to the majors so i cant offer much else in the way of specifics regarding this player

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: leonThat site lists major leaguer's while I am not sure that this Levy made the majors. I think I might have heard a story about his parents being 1 goyem and 1 Jewish.....so if his mom was Jewish then he was....so the religion goes......I might need to do some research here.....

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: AlanLeon - You're right... Sorry. For minor leaguers, I don't know. No one has created a very good Jewish minor league listing... Best Regards, Alan

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Posted By: BrianAh, a question for the ages (and the sages). Actually, Levy is listed in the "Big Book of Jewish Baseball," for whatever that is worth--under the minor league section. I don't think he was ever in the majors.

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Posted By: Rich KleinIn the 2005 Beckett Almanac and for that very reason you suppose. Great card by the way Rich

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Posted By: David SmithI bought this card about 10 years ago with a group of other Star Player cards. Until about 2 years ago it was uncatalogued.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1149734001.JPG">

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Posted By: Griffin'sHow does Behel in the OJ set rate on this list? Wasn't he the first Jewish major leaguer?

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Posted By: warshawlawA Landsman who played a few years in the PCL and coached and managed extensively in college and minors baseball. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1149739635.JPG">

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Posted By: AlanDavid, Adam -- Thanks for sharing these !!! Alan

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Posted By: David SmithYou're welcome, Alan.

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Posted By: Gilbert MainesIval Goodman of the Reds in the '30s and '40s is not shown on the all time roster of Jewish Major Leaguers. Can I therefore conclude that Ival Goodman was not Jewish?

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: BobAha! I always wondered why Cooney was so tough in the Obak series, why Pelty's P-2 Sweet Cap pin was so hard to find, etc. These players are Jewish. Question answered.

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Posted By: bigfishThis is a popular card as well.

Rare cards of Jewish players

Posted By: WillWhat Star Player Candy cards do you have? Will

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Posted By: David SmithI wrote a response then decided not to hi jack the Jewish player thread. Sorry.

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Posted By: Jim ClarkeIf memory serves me correctly, there is a debate about this player being Jewish. Here is the description I got from the Mastro write up: "Stephen Behel had a brief and less than spectacular career. In fact, his Major League experience consisted of nine games in 1884 with Milwaukee of the ill-fated Union Association and a half-season with the 1886 New York Metropolitans. Certainly, it was not his statistical accomplishments that make this card of Stephen Behel so desirable to collectors. Rather, it is the fact that this particular card of Behel is generally regarded as the first such item to feature a player of Jewish descent." If he is jewish I would think anything with him on it would be very rare since he had limited playing time.. Here is an old score card from 1885 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1150249872.JPG">

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Posted By: AlanJim -- Thanks for posting that vintage beauty !!! He may or may not have been Jewish - I don't know, but he's not listed in any of the Jewish baseball publications for what it's worth. Alan

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Posted By: Glen VHoney Boy: <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1150607884.JPG"> .

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Posted By: AlanGlen - Nice !!! Thanks very much !!! Alan

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Posted By: jamiealan, another one for you- this was recently sold by a board member on ebay. it went for a little over $200 <img src="http://i11.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/7e/f2/f9_1_b.JPG">