Who is the LEAST deserving player in the HOF in the T206 set
I thought the most deserving player from the T206 set was a lively and interesting debate. I don't think the T206 set has nearly as many undeserving players (percentage wise) in the HOF than say the Goudey set but there are a few.
My pick would be Chesboro. He did have a 40 win season, but that was more than 20% of his career total wins (less than 200). He did win more than 20 five times, but that was not an uncommon occurrence in those days. His career was relatively short and he had nearly as many losing seasons as winning one. I know Marquard is a popular pick. but he's certainly not alone. Most of us are older and "deep" baseball fans. We have been influenced by the old "Legends of Baseball" books that presented Elmer Flick as if he were Tony Gwynn. For you brain staters, here is a list of HOF players in the T206 set. Home Run Baker Jake Beckley Chief Bender Roger Bresnahan Mordecai Brown Frank Chance Jack Chesbro Fred Clarke Ty Cobb Eddie Collins Jimmy Collins Sam Crawford George Davis Hugh Duffy Johnny Evers Elmer Flick Clark Griffith Miller Huggins Hughie Jennings Walter Johnson Addie Joss Willie Keeler Joe Kelley Nap Lajoie Rube Marquard Christy Mathewson Iron Man McGinnity John McGraw (Portrait With Cap) Eddie Plank Tris Speaker Joe Tinker Rube Waddell Honus Wagner Bobby Wallace Ed Walsh Zack Wheat Vic Willis Cy Young |
Tinker and Evers and Chance would all be on my list of players to exclude.
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Bresnahan and Marquard, who had an ERA+ of 103. Chesbro at 111 is a poor candidate, but better than Marquard.
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Marquard, Tinker, Evers.
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Based on traditional stats, it seems Bobby Wallace had fairly unremarkable numbers relative to others in the HoF.
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I would think the least deserving would be Addie Joss since he didn't play the minimum of ten seasons. Not that I don't think he was a great pitcher, but they seem to follow the rule for everyone else
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My vote goes to Tinker. At least Evers has a place in history without the poem. That 1914 season and MVP elevates him in my opinion.
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Marquard.
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Yet everyone loves the Tinker cards and they have premium value.
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Hughie Jennings
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Tinker for sure.
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Honus Wagner or Ty Cobb followed by Cy Young.
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I'm okay with the whole list being in the HOF, but for the sake of argument, Miller Huggins
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I'm a 3rd Gen Cubs fan but can't argue that individual stats don't warrant induction. It's like Forest Griffind and Stephan Bonner in the UFC. Their one fight elevated the entire sport and they were thanked by induction into the UFC hof. I believe the same goes for the Chicago team of their era. They provided headlines that extended beyond the diehard fans and obtained popular media recognition. They were later rewarded in the only way left to do so. |
I'm a diehard Cubs fan myself, and the only one I'd put in would be Chance. Tinker and Evers, especially Tinker, are mistakes.
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I think it's Rube Marquard by a fair margin. He was an avg pitcher, |
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I like them all
I am a former history major so I do not mind using the hall of fame to tell the games history. Therefore inducting players for a variety of reasons. I have no problem with any that are in and not to speak for Kevin but (to answer the previous post) I for one don't think the hall would be diminished one iota if Maris were left in.
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Tinker and Marquard.
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Roger Maris
Won two MVP awards. Hit 61 home runs in one season. That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown. |
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3 x world champion Was good enough the last year of his career to start on a world championship team. It's not an injustice he's not in, but it's not equitable in comparison with some people who are. |
He should be in for his contributions to baseball, same as Curt Flood. The career statistics are secondary.
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Barney Dreyfuss is in for his contributions to baseball, but even though his contributions were major in terms of parks and the World Series, no one knows his name. I would say Maris and Flood's contributions to the modern game will always be remembered, along with their names.
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I'm taking a slightly different approach. I pulled out the names and created tiers. I did not rank within a tier, the names are random in each tier...I guess I was left with a lot of names towards the bottom, but it's hard to say from there who shouldn't be a HOFer...This isn't anything super scientific, and I did not refer to any websites or their statistics as I did these lists...just pure gut of 25 years of collecting T206, and learning about the players during that time.
Ty Cobb Honus Wagner Christy Mathewson Walter Johnson Cy Young Tris Speaker Nap Lajoie Eddie Plank John McGraw (Managerial) Willie Keeler Eddie Collins Hugh Duffy Rube Waddell Zack Wheat Mordecai Brown Addie Joss Sam Crawford Rube Marquard Iron Man McGinnity Home Run Baker Ed Walsh Vic Willis Frank Chance Jack Chesbro Chief Bender Jake Beckley Roger Bresnahan Fred Clarke Jimmy Collins George Davis Johnny Evers Elmer Flick Clark Griffith Miller Huggins Hughie Jennings Joe Kelley Joe Tinker Bobby Wallace |
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