Net54baseball.com Forums

Net54baseball.com Forums (http://www.net54baseball.com/index.php)
-   Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions (http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Shoeless Joe Jackson (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=255545)

mrreality68 05-26-2018 07:20 PM

Shoeless Joe Jackson
 
Hello everyone

I tried looking on eBay and auction sites, PSA and google search but with over 40 cards of Joe Jackson I cannot find anything that ranks them in rarity and value

3 questions

1. How rare is the 1917 Boston Store Joe Jackson and what are they worth ie Grade 3, 5, 7
2. What are the Top 10 Joe Jackson Cards by value to collect
3 are his original photoís any value

Joshwesley 05-26-2018 08:15 PM

Top 10 imo

1. T-217 (or whatever itís called) the one with him Wearing the pea coat.

2. Has to be the Cracker Jack, right?

3. One of the M-101ís with a rare back

4. The strip card in my avatar ?

5. The poker cards with JJ on them?

Any JJ type 1 photo has significant value.
Individual or with his team.

pokerplyr80 05-26-2018 10:37 PM

T210 is #1 and the e90-1 is also up there, probably just ahead of the cj.

aloondilana 05-26-2018 11:25 PM

Boston Store
 
There are a total of 11 of them in PSA and SGC POP Reports.
Take into consideration a cross here and there.
There may be less than 10 in the world.

:)

Vintageclout 05-26-2018 11:59 PM

Joe Jackson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 1780839)
Hello everyone

I tried looking on eBay and auction sites, PSA and google search but with over 40 cards of Joe Jackson I cannot find anything that ranks them in rarity and value

3 questions

1. How rare is the 1917 Boston Store Joe Jackson and what are they worth ie Grade 3, 5, 7
2. What are the Top 10 Joe Jackson Cards by value to collect
3 are his original photo’s any value

Assuming the same grade, here are Jackson’s Top 10 Cards by value. Note that the Texas Tommy issues are near impossible to find with only a few known to exist. The 1916 M101-4/M101-5 issues include some very scarce ad backs that might realize significant pricing premiums vs. the standard M101-4/M101-5 subjects. I have excluded the extremely rare 1917-‘20 M101-6 Felix Mendelsohn Jackson from the list for which I have only seen a single example.

1. 1910 T210 Old Mill
2. 1914 Boston Garter
3. 1914 Texas Tommy (Type 1 & 2) Extremely Rare
4. 1909 E90-1 American Caramel Rookie
5. 1914 Cracker Jack
6. 1920 Holsum Bread (his last card)
7. 1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy
8. 1915 Cracker Jack
9. 1916 M101-4/M101-5 Issues (Various Ad Backs)
10. 1919 W514 Strip Card

Leon 05-27-2018 07:26 AM

Nice list. No T5 Pinkerton Joe?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1780917)
Assuming the same grade, here are Jacksonís Top 10 Cards by value. Note that the Texas Tommy issues are near impossible to find with only a few known to exist. The 1916 M101-4/M101-5 issues include some very scarce ad backs that might realize significant pricing premiums vs. the standard M101-4/M101-5 subjects. I have excluded the extremely rare 1917-Ď20 M101-6 Felix Mendelsohn Jackson from the list for which I have only seen a single example.

1. 1910 T210 Old Mill
2. 1914 Boston Garter
3. 1914 Texas Tommy (Type 1 & 2) Extremely Rare
4. 1909 E90-1 American Caramel Rookie
5. 1914 Cracker Jack
6. 1920 Holsum Bread (his last card)
7. 1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy
8. 1915 Cracker Jack
9. 1916 M101-4/M101-5 Issues (Various Ad Backs)
10. 1919 W514 Strip Card


Vintageclout 05-27-2018 08:11 AM

Joe Jax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1780941)
Nice list. No T5 Pinkerton Joe?

Oops....You got me Leon! Forgot about the T5 (I knew I would inadvertently leave one big card off the list). Value wise, the T5 Jackson should probably be placed at #4, directly between the Texas Tommy and the E90-1 Rookie. This would push the 1919 W514 off the top 10 list. Thx Leon for the ďheads upĒ!

Joe T.

mrreality68 05-27-2018 08:20 AM

Thanks
 
Thanks to all of you. This is very good info. I knew some of it but not all and the list and the order is helpful
I am have E90-01, a 1917 Boston store and 1916 M101-5 and trying to expand my collection. I also have an original photo from early in his career

pawpawdiv9 05-27-2018 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 1780951)
Thanks to all of you. This is very good info. I knew some of it but not all and the list and the order is helpful
I am have E90-01, a 1917 Boston store and 1916 M101-5 and trying to expand my collection. I also have an original photo from early in his career

Pictures are welcomed :D

TUM301 05-27-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9 (Post 1780965)
Pictures are welcomed :D

I`ll 2`nd that, let`s see those bad boys !

Rhotchkiss 05-27-2018 09:24 AM

If you change your mind and decide to contract your collection, I would be happy to relieve you of the e90-1, the Boston store and the m101-5.

calvindog 05-27-2018 09:34 AM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/...0fab9348_b.jpg

Vintageclout 05-27-2018 09:55 AM

Joe Jackson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1780974)

Jeff,

I could never get tired of looking at your NM 7 Jackson CJ. Truly a magnificent specimen!

Regards,
Joe T.

Leon 05-27-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1780983)
Jeff,

I could never get tired of looking at your NM 7 Jackson CJ. Truly a magnificent specimen!

Regards,
Joe T.

Agreed. We should have a Net54baseball Hall of Fame for Vintage Baseball Cards. That one would be a first round shoe-in!!

mrreality68 05-27-2018 10:39 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Here are the pictures of the 3 cardsAttachment 317606

Attachment 317607

Attachment 317608

mrreality68 05-27-2018 10:46 AM

Photo
 
1 Attachment(s)
Here is the photo of Joe JacksonAttachment 317609

mrreality68 05-27-2018 10:50 AM

4 Attachment(s)
Here are the 3 cards and the photoAttachment 317610

Attachment 317611

Attachment 317612

Attachment 317613

TUM301 05-27-2018 11:05 AM

Well you have one hell of a start on your Jackson collection sir. Thanks for sharing, like the cards but really the photo is where it`s at for me. Enjoy !!

pcoz 05-27-2018 12:59 PM

1911 T5 Pinkerton
 
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d819401a1c.jpg

BeanTown 05-27-2018 01:36 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Type 1 Murnane photo from the first offical All-Star in 1917.

mrreality68 05-27-2018 03:39 PM

That Pinkerton is an amazing card and a high grade for for that card.

Very very nice

ruth_rookie 05-27-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1780974)

Where I live you couldíve bought a new house for that card. Then again, since Iím not homeless (yet!) Iíd take the card any day. What a beauty. Nicely done!

Steve D 05-27-2018 06:08 PM

What about the E270 Tin Top?

It did spawn one of the all-time great threads here on Net54!

STeve

MattyC 05-27-2018 06:42 PM

Let's get some non-baller low grade garbage in this thread...

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...r-jack-jackson

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...-e90-1-jackson

Peter_Spaeth 05-27-2018 07:55 PM

LOL I can't stop laughing. Matt that should be your signature line. Great CJ.

Peter_Spaeth 05-27-2018 07:56 PM

1 Attachment(s)
A fourth tier Jackson for the thread.

FourStrikes 05-28-2018 02:24 AM

...
 
had NO idea what you were referencing, but thankfully there's a "search" function on the 54 that enlightened me!

holy sheeyit - Skydash is a legend! amazing "find"! - hoping all turned out well for him and his family!!

xo,
just another green-with-envy S.O.B. that wishes that I one day will run across such an amazing, RARE, fresh-to market batch of stuff, especially after being (perhaps due to the initial skepticism) ripped a new a-hole upon my initial semi-public forum disclosure, as was The Skyman!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 1781142)
What about the E270 Tin Top?

It did spawn one of the all-time great threads here on Net54!

STeve


pawpawdiv9 05-28-2018 10:16 AM

http://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/20...43/eNews43.htm
2. Seven "Tin-Tops" Added to Colgan's Player List
(shown at approximate actual size)



The recent discovery of a truly jaw-dropping vintage collection new to the vintage hobby was recently announced by Mastro Auctions. The collection includes over 1500 cards from around 1910 (the middle of the deadball era). The collection is nicknamed "Skydash" by its owner, who prefers to remain anonymous.

The part of the collection that has captured the attention of many vintage collectors are 229 examples of the well-known but relatively obscure Colgan's Chips "Tin-Top" series. Astonishingly, the new discovery includes seven players from the set that previously have not been known to today's vintage collectors. Images for all seven of these cards are shown above. In addition, four variations to cards of previously known players were discovered in the collection.

The 229 Tin-Tops in the collection represent 149 different players. In addition to the seven additions to the set checklist, the collection includes examples of the previously know but exceedingly scarce cards of Joe Jackson and Jim Thorp. Both are hands-down keys to the set, with only a handful of examples known for each of them,



E270-2 Set Keys (Thorpe and Jackson)
Perhaps just as astonishing is the Near Mint plus condition of the obscure cards, some of which have already been graded by SGC, one of the hobby's leading grading services. Scans of the graded Thorpe and Jackson examples are shown at right.

The "Tin-Tops" are one of three related sets produced from 1909 through 1912 by Colgan Gum Company of Louisville, Kentucky. Many of the player poses are common among the three sets, distinguished primarily by the ad messages on the card backs.

The cards from all three sets are round and were distributed inside small metal canisters of chewing gum. All cards measure 1-1/2 inches in diameter--the same size as a silver dollar. They are designated as sets E254 (Stars of the Diamond), E270-1 (Red Borders) and E270-2 (Tin-Tops) in the American Card Catalog and by common hobby usage today. A Set Summary (including a table that compares the three Colgan's sets) is provided on the Old Cardboard website.

Pete Calderon, a vintage card specialist at Mastro Auctions, describes the Skydash Collection of E270 Tintops as the "perfect storm" of rarity, condition and subject matter. "The sheer number of rare E270s in the collection is mind-blowing," says Calderon.

According to Calderon, the four previously uncataloged "variation" cards found in the collection were those of Donnie Bush (small and large image; same pose), Hal Chase (Chicago and New York teams), Jake Daubert (dark and white caps; two different poses) and Honus Wagner (curved and straight vertical lettering).

The initial offering of the E270s will be in Mastro's December 2007 Premier Auction. It will include 145 different SGC-graded cards including all of the previously uncatalogued players, as well as the elusive card of Jim Thorpe. The Thorpe card will be offered individually with a minimum bid of $10,000. The other 144 cards will either be offered individually or in groupings at varying minimum bids, according to a company spokesperson. The Joe Jackson card and the balance of the duplicate E270s will be sold in Mastro's April 2008 Premier auction

PIC of the Joe Jackson:
http://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/20...gc-reduced.jpg

BeanTown 05-29-2018 09:02 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Going to make my 1000 post a special one. Here is Joe Jackson on a RPPC when he played for the Vic Mills team and a type 1 photo of him, with the same team.

ruth_rookie 05-29-2018 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeanTown (Post 1781071)
Type 1 Murnane photo from the first offical All-Star in 1917.

See if we can name all of them. I only recognize two (pathetic, I know!). Walter Johnson, second from the left. And that old familiar scowl of Cobb third from the right (back row). Is that Cy Young next to him on his right?

BeanTown 05-29-2018 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie (Post 1781789)
See if we can name all of them. I only recognize two (pathetic, I know!). Walter Johnson, second from the left. And that old familiar scowl of Cobb third from the right (back row). Is that Cy Young next to him on his right?

Nope, thats Buck Weaver just right of Cobb. Do you see Joe Jackson in the picture? Ill give you a hint that he is on the top row.

Bicem 05-29-2018 10:28 PM

Amazing JJ items JC.

ruth_rookie 05-29-2018 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeanTown (Post 1781794)
Nope, thats Buck Weaver just right of Cobb. Do you see Joe Jackson in the picture? Ill give you a hint that he is on the top row.

Iím gonna say Shoeless Joe is just to the left of the dude in the suit (our vantage point). If not, itís gotta be the guy to the right of Cobb. If itís not one of the guys with the big ďSĒ for Black Sox then I give up!

seablaster 05-29-2018 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruth_rookie (Post 1781801)
Iím gonna say Shoeless Joe is just to the left of the dude in the suit (our vantage point).

This is correct. Joe Jackson is pictured immediately to the left of Connie Mack. Cobb is sandwiched between Ray Chapman on the left and Buck Weaver on the right.

ruth_rookie 05-29-2018 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seablaster (Post 1781806)
This is correct. Joe Jackson is pictured immediately to the left of Connie Mack. Cobb is sandwiched between Ray Chapman on the left and Buck Weaver on the right.

Your history of baseball is remarkable. Did you notice Joe isnít wearing any socks? He actually has his shoes on for once, but heís wearing no socks! He couldnít even get his wardrobe together for the first all-star game!

mrreality68 05-31-2018 02:56 PM

I thank you all for sharing your knowledge, photoís of the cards and the amazing photo of the early days of Joe Jackson career.
As well as the Links
I am a Joe Jackson fan and trying to grow my collection

mrreality68 06-17-2018 09:02 AM

6 Attachment(s)
Attachment 319972

Attachment 319973

Attachment 319974

Attachment 319975

Attachment 319976

Attachment 319977

Added to the Jackson Family

Kawika 06-17-2018 02:18 PM

Am surprised no one yet has cited the infamous T202 Lord Catches His Man, alleged in an epic Net54 thread to be JoJax hisself.
Used to have an E90-1 and a '15 Cracker Jack of the man but sold them to finance a bathroom and a kitchen reno. My wife has a special fondness for the Shoeless One.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...0Tannehill.jpg

mrreality68 06-18-2018 06:59 PM

Does anyone one no someome thaf has the 1912 Tim Top joe Jackson that might want to sell or trade. I am looking to add It to my personal collection

pherbener 06-18-2018 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 1787772)
Does anyone one no someome thaf has the 1912 Tim Top joe Jackson that might want to sell or trade. I am looking to add It to my personal collection

Try putting a WTB in the BST section of the forum. It will get a lot more eyeballs than in the middle of this thread. Nice Joe Jax's by the way!!

mrreality68 06-26-2018 07:25 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Two more members of the Joe Jackson joined the collection

Always looking for more if anyone has any cards they or their friends are looking to sell or tradeAttachment 321070

Attachment 321071

that T206 Guy 06-27-2018 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC (Post 1781149)

Those are Still Baller Cards to Me LOL.

that T206 Guy 06-27-2018 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1780985)
Agreed. We should have a Net54baseball Hall of Fame for Vintage Baseball Cards. That one would be a first round shoe-in!!

Excellent Idea Leon.

the 'stache 06-27-2018 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1780974)

I can't believe that's a '14. Holy mother of God.

mrreality68 10-08-2018 06:33 PM

New Addition To the Jackson Family
 
1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 330757

mrreality68 10-08-2018 07:43 PM

Link to my collection
 
Hi everyone

I love the collections and viewing them that everyone has links to

Here is my LINK to my collection.
I am trying to expand and upgrade
It is small but growing and many of my others I put on Heritage in coming months to finance some upgrades or higher quality

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250...in/photostream

Just copy and paste to go there

Leon 10-10-2018 04:26 PM

Really great cards so far. Congrats on the pick ups. I need me some Shoeless but have none now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 1818311)
Hi everyone

I love the collections and viewing them that everyone has links to

Here is my LINK to my collection.
I am trying to expand and upgrade
It is small but growing and many of my others I put on Heritage in coming months to finance some upgrades or higher quality

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250...in/photostream

Just copy and paste to go there


oldjudge 10-10-2018 05:06 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Three scarcer backs:

oldjudge 10-10-2018 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1780941)
Nice list. No T5 Pinkerton Joe?

Need to add the M101-6

Bicem 10-10-2018 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 1818311)
Hi everyone

I love the collections and viewing them that everyone has links to

Here is my LINK to my collection.
I am trying to expand and upgrade
It is small but growing and many of my others I put on Heritage in coming months to finance some upgrades or higher quality

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250...in/photostream

Just copy and paste to go there

Really great collection!


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:02 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.