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Archive 06-03-2006 09:31 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Since reading Scot Reader's work, I have found myself even more preoccupied with<br />the backs of my 206's. Tonight while thumbing through nearly 400 different 206's, I noted scores of piedmonts,sweet caporals; several<br />polar bears;15 or so Old Mill's (no browns);10 or so sovereign's; 10 or so<br />Tolstoi's; a handful of american beauty's 350,460; and a handful or so of <br />Cycle's 350 and 460; a handful of Hindu browns; one carolina brights; and<br />just 2 EPDG's.<br />Having just a couple of EPDG's surprised me a bit.<br />Any other folks have this experience?!<br />I made a conscious effort to get the Hindu's,Beauty's, and Brights.<br />Not so for the rest.<br /><br />many thanks for the help<br /><br />barry

Archive 06-03-2006 09:54 PM

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Posted By: <b>Matthew</b><p>Always have heard the back is not one of the rare ones but I certainly agree with you Barry. They don't get much respect pricewise either though. I only have 1!

Archive 06-03-2006 09:57 PM

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Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>As you know, Perfessor, I'm rather conscious of backs myself and was similarly surprised to find I have just three EPDG's out of my current 179 T206's. The breakdown:<br /><br />American Beauty - 5<br />Cycle 350 - 6<br />Cycle 460 - 1<br />EPDG - 3<br />Hindu - 3<br />Old Mill - 11<br />Polar Bear - 10<br />Piedmont 150 - 25<br />Piedmont 350 - 54<br />Piedmont 350-460 - 8<br />Sweet Caporal 150 - 20<br />Sweet Caporal 350 - 17<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 - 8<br />Sovereign 150 - 5<br />Sovereign 350 - 1<br />Tolstoi - 2

Archive 06-03-2006 10:18 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>MANY thanks.<br />i wonder what this means about EPDG's.<br />steve, i notice that you have quite a few of some of the<br />rarer backs----is it because you made a conscious effort to<br />get these, and not so much the EPDG's.<br /><br />even so, i wonder if we need to reevaluate the rarity of<br />EPDG.<br />by the way, buddy, Willetts brought an sgc 50---found<br />it on the sgc website today!!!<br /><br />best<br /><br />barry<br /><br />p.s. you're right Matthew! it is the Lindaman i got from you ages ago!

Archive 06-03-2006 10:43 PM

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>Iam not really sure if you are asking for some, email if you need a couple of Hof's- Lajoie and Tinker EPDG"S<br /><br />Leon - I know my reply belongs in the b/s/t ,but I wasnt really selling them, just if he was intersted to email me.<br /><br />that's all !

Archive 06-03-2006 11:14 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>and had no more than 2-3 EDPG's in it...........<br />

Archive 06-03-2006 11:46 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>Whew. Glad things worked out on the Willetts. <br /><br />Anyway, I think EPDG backs are as difficult as our numbers suggest. However, I guess I haven't been as willing to pay a premium for them as I have for, say, AB or Hindu backs. I might have to change that thinking.

Archive 06-04-2006 04:12 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Not a one out of a collection of 100 or so that includes Tolstoi, Cycle, and Hindu.

Archive 06-04-2006 05:54 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Out of a collection of about 30, which includes 1 brown Hindu, 2 Cycles, a Tolstoi, 3-4 Polar Bears, and a pile of Sweet Caps and Piedmonts, I have one EPDG -- of Vive Lindaman.<br /><br />For the sake of this "survey" this might skew your numbers a bit, though, as I was actually seeking out the back to get an example for my collection.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Richard.

Archive 06-04-2006 07:22 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry<br /><br />I will follow up Richard's post with another tough T206 in the 150-only Series<br />and mine is Carl Lundgren (Cubs) with an EPDG back. It is a rare combination<br />to find the 10, or so, cards in this set that only exist in the 150 Series with<br /> backs other than the usual Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, or Sovereign ones.<br /><br />And, I surveyed my 600+ T206's and found only one other EPDG back and it is<br />the Rucker (portrait). So, here is a sample more consistent with yours.<br /><br />The remaining tougher backs (BroadLeaf, Carolina Brights, Drum, Hindu, Lenox,<br />and Uzit) in my current collection outnumber the EPDG. But, that's because<br />I make an extra effort to acquire them: whereas, I do not regarding the EPDG.<br /><br />Barry, thanx for bringing up this subject, as I always thought the EPDG backs<br />do not get their due respect in the T206 set.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

Archive 06-04-2006 07:44 AM

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Do I sense a spike the peices of EPDG backs <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jay<br /><br />Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

Archive 06-04-2006 07:55 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>One (1) out of 263. Murray (cap) SGC 40

Archive 06-04-2006 10:05 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Out of my 520 or so I have 4. I did not go out of my way to buy any, but I know when I made an effort buy them I they commanded a small premium. I always thought they were underrated on the toughness list. Scott Reader has they the most definitive data that is not skewed by collecting habits.<br /><br />There was an earlier thread about whetther this board can alter the prices realized, well a thread like this will definately make the prices for EPDG go up.<br /><br />Lee<br />

Archive 06-04-2006 10:16 AM

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I've always thought EPDG were a lot tougher also-- in my near-set of 518, I have 3. I tried to get one of each back, but otherwise I neither sought out not avoided unusual backs.<br /><br />Full back breakdown:<br /><br />Drum 0<br />Uzit 0<br />Lenox 1<br />Carolina Bright 1<br />Broadleaf 1<br />Hindu (red) 1<br />American Beauty 1<br />Hindu (brown) 2<br />EPDG 3<br />Cycle 6<br />Sovereign 6<br />Tolstoi 7<br />Polar Bear 14<br />Old Mill 21 (18 are Southern Leaguers)<br />Sweet Cap 191<br />Piedmont 263<br /><br />

Archive 06-04-2006 10:40 AM

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>like most of you...i have not really sought out or avoided this back...i have 1 for my backs type collection out of 100 or so t206's. it's a rudolph, toronto.<br /><br />pete in mn

Archive 06-04-2006 11:09 AM

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Posted By: <b>Tom Botticelli</b><p>Barry great question.<br /><br />Over the last several years I have made a concerted efftort to pick up as many difficult backs as possible including EPDG backs (Out of about 500 I have: 15 EPDG, 17 Tolstoi, 103 Hindu's, 52 AB, 69 Cycles, 18 CB, 16 BL's), and I have found that they have been twice as difficult to collect as the AB or Hindu, but with that being said people tend to sell the more visible backs. Personally I think this back deserves a higher place on the difficulty list, but perhaps some people have been hoarding them. Hopefully this thread does not increase the value, so I can continue to collect them at a reasonable price. Just my two cents.<br /><br />Tom

Archive 06-04-2006 11:26 AM

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>I have an EPDG Ty Cobb red portrait, and Bob Rhoades <br />right arm out. I was surprised that Ted Zanidakis mentioned<br />he has a Lundgren Cubs - I've never seen a 150 series <br />shortprint with an El Principe De Gales back and I've <br />been collecting T206 since 1980.<br />Would like to know if any other collectors have the difficult 9 shortprints with EPDG backs listed below.<br />Browne(Chi),Burch (Bat),Donlin (Fielding),Evers (Blue),Lundgren (Chi),Pattee,Pelty,Reulbach (Glove),<br />and Powers.

Archive 06-04-2006 11:48 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>In my collection of about 250 or so T206's, I have six with an EPDG back. Like many other collectors they have not been a priority, more incidental once I got one of them:<br /><br />Jennings - both hands<br />Evers - port<br />Congalton<br />Oldring<br />Bliss<br />Zimmerman

Archive 06-04-2006 12:34 PM

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Out of 1746 cards:<br /><br />American Beauty 194<br />Broadleaf 22<br />Carolina Brights 43<br />Drum 7<br />ELPD 33<br />Hindu 125<br />Lenox 10<br />Red Hindu 7<br />Pied 42's 28<br />Uzit 6<br />Tolstoi 16<br />I focus on all of the tough backs, but especially Hindu Slers and Carolina Brights. ELPD and Tolstoi's are not in my focus group, but they are tougher than people think. <br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

Archive 06-04-2006 01:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>J Hull</b><p>I'll join the chorus.<br />Out of my 500 or so T206s, I probably have no more than 6-10 EPDG backs. I'll look through them later and see how many.<br />But according to my records, so far this year ~115 EPDG backs have been sold on eBay.<br />Over the same period, there have been about twice that many Old Mills (not counting the Southern Leaguer version) and about four times that many Polar Bears.<br />On the other hand, there have been (many) fewer Tolstoi, Cycle, American Beauty, and Hindu backs than the EPDGs.<br />I was surprised when I looked at the totals. I too would have thought they were tougher to find -- tougher than American Beauty anyway.<br /><br />Brian, I don't know which is more impressive, 125 Hindus or 28 Factory 42s. Wow.

Archive 06-04-2006 01:27 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Dan K.<br /><br />Scot Reader was surprised, too, when I informed him of my Lundgren (Cubs) with<br />an EPDG back.<br /><br />Also, I have discussed with Scot that I have never observed Vive Lindaman with<br />a 350 Subjects back (and since 1981 I have seen thousands of T206 cards). This<br />card is probably the 10th SP in the 150-only Series.<br /><br />And, it is interesting that Richard in his above post mentions he has a Lindaman<br /> with an EPDG back.<br /><br />I acquired my Lundgren (Cubs) with the EPDG back in 1984 when I was working on<br />my 1st T206 set and was trying to also acquire all the 15 basic Tobacco backs.<br />And, although I have had quite a number of Lundgren (Cubs) cards since, I have<br />never seen another with an EPDG back.<br /><br />So, I have a question for you guys out there on this great Forum....check-out your<br />Vive Lindaman cards....does anyone have this card with a 350 Subjects back ?<br /><br />I don't think they exist.....but, I can be wrong. <br /><br />

Archive 06-04-2006 01:50 PM

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>What a wealth of information.<br />Many,many thanks.<br />It does look like the data is pointing to more of a rarity for EPDG than<br />any of us suspected or expected.<br />Now i do wonder just what this means?<br />Have collectors not held it in high regard, for some reason?<br />Did the folks who bought these initially in the early part of the 20th century put them in their bicycle spokes (or whatever they had) like a lot<br />of my buddies did with their 'dalrymples' in the late 50's and early 60's.<br />Were fewer produced than we might have thought?<br />Are folks just keeping them, because we collectors don't want to pay any sort<br />of premium for them?<br />Admittedly, i realize these are no red hindu's---but now we know they are sure no commons either.<br /><br />by the way, my lindaman is an EPDG, TRex.<br /><br />also many thanks to the back collectors whose collections were even more<br />phenomenal than i had anticipated!!!! Congrats<br /><br />barry

Archive 06-04-2006 01:58 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Jeff</b><p>Of my 400+ T206s I only have 2 EPDG backs - Gandil and Ewing.<br /><br />Jeff

Archive 06-04-2006 02:16 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Just one out of 100 cards...the Cy Young Bare Hand.<br><br>Frank

Archive 06-04-2006 02:48 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Am I confused on the Lundgren? I have never seen it listed as a 150 only card. Although mine is a Pied 150, I believe that I have sold a Piedmont 350. I still have a scan of the front of the card in a SGC holder, it is dated 1910 Piedmont. From what I can tell SGC lists the 150 series 1909, the 350 series 1910, and the 460 series 1911.<br /><br />By the way my Lindaman is a HINDU.<br /><br />Lee<br />

Archive 06-04-2006 03:18 PM

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Lindaman is one of seven 150-only candidates beyond the ones everybody knows about. Others include Doyle (Throwing), Ewing, Lundgren (Chicago), Schulte (Front View) and two others I can't think of right now. I wrote about these seven possible 150-only additions in my manuscript and nobody has yet indictated to me that they have any of them in 350--which makes me think these seven are indeed 150-only. Also, as Ted rightly notes, Lundgren (Chicago) seems to only be possible with Piedmont 150 and EPDG, e.g. not possible with any Sweet Caporal back. Scot

Archive 06-04-2006 03:27 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Lee B<br /><br />If you had a Lundgren (Cubs) with a 350 back, you would have a T206 so unique<br />it would compare with the Plank (Piedmont 150) of which there is only one known.<br />I have seen where SGC has been inconsistent with their label dates; therefore, I<br /> would caution using this as indication of card's back. <br /><br />Are you possibly thinking of Lundgren's Kansas City card in the 350 Series ?<br /><br />All the T206 publications (Heitman, Peavey, and Reader) agree the Lundgren (Cubs)<br />card exists only in the 150 Series.<br /><br />Incidently, your Lindaman (Hindu) is really rare card.

Archive 06-04-2006 03:44 PM

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I use to keep really good records of all my sales on ebay but the last couple of years I have not. maybe it's time to start again. I looked thru about 50 of my SGC T206s and they were as noted earlier, so that is my assumption.<br /><br />I purchased the Lindaman just cause I needed it and paid about $25, a little premium for the HINDU.<br /><br />Lee

Archive 06-04-2006 04:30 PM

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Hi Guys,<br /><br />Lee's right. Here's my Lundgren Chicago with a Piedmont 350 back.<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/assortedtobaccos/icons/lundgren.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/assortedtobaccos/icons/lungdrenback.jpg"><br /><br />By the way, Joe P. (who used to post here) wrote that he has a schulte front view with a 350 back as well. Search for "schulte front view" and you'll find the thread.<br /><br />Robert

Archive 06-04-2006 04:49 PM

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />Your collection of backs is very impressive. Here is my breakdown of backs:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 - 68<br />Sovereign 150 - 18<br />SC 150 Fac. 25 - 6<br />SC 150 Fac. 30 - 11<br />SC 150 Fac. 649 - 13<br />American Beauty 350 Frame - 7<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame - 21<br />Broadleaf 350 - 2<br />Cycle 350 - 9<br />Piedmont 350 - 128<br />Sovereign 350 - 69<br />SC 350 Fac. 24 - 9<br />SC 350 Fac. 30 - 45<br />American Beauty 460 - 2<br />Cycle 460 - 4<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 - 17<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 - 1<br />Sovereign 460 - 17<br />SC 350-460 Fac. 25 - 1<br />SC 350-460 Fac. 30 - 5 <br />SC 350-460 Fac. 42 - 1<br />SC 350-460 Fac. 42 OP - 6<br />Carolina Brights - 1<br />EPDG - 13<br />Hindu - 1<br />Lenox - 1<br />Old Mill - 8<br />Old Mill Southern - 35<br />Polar Bear - 12<br />Tolstoi - 9

Archive 06-04-2006 04:56 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>about 450 T206, 1 EPDG - Donovan port.

Archive 06-04-2006 06:39 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>RayPiskadlo</b><p>My back breakdown:<br /><br />144 cards...<br /><br />67 Piedmont<br />46 Sweet Caporal<br />10 Polar Bear<br />6 Old Mill<br />3 Tolstoi<br />3 Sovereign<br />3 American Beauty<br />1 EPDG: Steinfeldt (Batting), Cubbies<br />1 Cycle<br />1 Hindu<br />1 Carolina Brights<br />1 Broadleaf<br />1 Lenox<br /><br />I don't search out backs I already own, so I'm sure I've passed on a bunch of Cycle and EPDG.

Archive 06-04-2006 07:25 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Of the 250 or so SGC graded T206 cards I own, three of them are EPDG. I have never put any effort into acquiring a card because of its back, except in two cases -- where I picked up a Hindu Joss Portrait and a nice Cycle Back. Otherwise, I have only been interested in fronts. I may have a couple more in my 270 or so ungraded T206 cards...

Archive 06-04-2006 07:38 PM

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>I have over 500 T206 and 22 with EPDG backs. HOFers and commons. A couple low grade examples in GAI holders were auctioned off on ebay just a day or so ago.

Archive 06-04-2006 07:52 PM

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Posted By: <b>Bill K</b><p>I have about 30 T206's (90% of which are Portrait HOF'ers)<br /><br />Out of that I have 2 EPDG (Breshanan and Griffith)<br /><br />I didn't think they were that difficult of back, especially since I picked both of them up for under $80.<br /><br />Images of both are at the web link listed below.<br /><br />Great topic!<br /><br />Bill<br><br>My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

Archive 06-04-2006 08:27 PM

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I have 1 EPDG. It has Cobb signed on the back. I doubt it is authentic, but does anyone know what Cobb's signature looks like?

Archive 06-04-2006 08:57 PM

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Posted By: <b>Scott T</b><p>Of 478 different T206's, I have a whopping three EPDG's!<br /><br />Ed Karger<br />Moose McCormick<br />Gabby Street (catching)<br><br>Scott <br />

Archive 06-04-2006 10:25 PM

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Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>Out of 510 T-206s, I have 9 EPDG backs (Bresnahan batting, Doughtery fielding, Herzog (NY Nat'l), Jennings yelling, Leach portrait, McAleese, Titus, Weimer, Willetts pitching). That's under 2% of my collection (roughly 1.76%).<br /><br />My Lindaman and Lundgren Chicago are both Piedmont 150.<br /><br />My back breakdown:<br /><br />Piedmont 230 (one is 350-460 fact. 42)<br />Sweet Cap 138<br />Sovereign 28<br />Old Mill 28 (incl SLers)<br />Polar Bear 23<br />Tolstoi 16<br />Amer. Beauty 11<br />Cycle 10<br />EPDG 9<br />Hindu 7 (incl SLers, no red hindus)<br />Carolina Brights 3<br />Broadleaf 3 <br />Drum 2 (Konetchy fielding low ball, Pfeister pitching)<br />Lenox 1 (Marquard pitching)<br />Uzit 1 (Leach fielding)<br /><br />I made an effort to collect at least one of each back type. I've bought most of my mid-level back types at common prices (or small premium, say a buck or two in most cases - I'm a low grade collector).<br /><br />Mike (18colt)<br /><br />PS: This is not meant to hijack the thread, but speaking of Tolstoi, would anyone know how rare a Tolstoi reverse is in the T-218 set (I know, not baseball, but pre-war)? Thanks.<br /><br />

Archive 06-05-2006 09:41 AM

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Posted By: <b>Chuck</b><p>I have 5 EPDG out of a collection of 649 unique front/back T206. Most were aquired by trade or in lots......... I'd guess that I've bought fewer than a dozen single cards. As a result I'm less weighted in HOF and SL than normal.<br /><br />My Lundgren-Chicago is a P350.

Archive 06-05-2006 01:44 PM

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>From the information above I think its safe to say<br />Ludgren Chi is not a 150 series only card. That gets<br />me back to my thoughts that EPDG is a 350 series back.<br />The other eight 150 series only cards most likely cannot<br />have the EPDG or Old Mill backs.

Archive 06-05-2006 02:26 PM

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Backtofinal4, send me a scan of the cobb signature on the back of your card. I have a handwritten letter and a bank check I can compare the signature to. email MILFORD97@AOL.COM<br /><br />joe

Archive 06-05-2006 03:49 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here's how my current 600+ cards breakdown as a function of their backs:<br /><br />DRUM -- (Moeller)<br />Red HINDU -- (Donlin-bat)<br />UZIT -- (Schaefer-Wash, Wiltse-cap)<br />BROAD LEAF -- (Grimshaw, Malarkey, McGinley)<br />CAROLINA BRIGHTS -- (Clymer)<br />LENOX -- (Chance-Yellow)<br />HINDU -- (Donovan-Port, SL = Breitenstein, Guiheen, Hooker, Howard, LaFitte)<br />PIEDMONT 460/42 -- (Dougherty-arm up, Jordan-batting)<br />CYCLE 460 -- (Jennings-dance, Murray-cap)<br />CYCLE 350 -- (Matthewson-dk cap, O'Brien, LaPorte, Downey-fldg)<br />AM BEAUTY 460 -- (Devore, Leach-cap, Wheat)<br />AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 -- (Overall-yel sky, Quillen)<br />El PRINCIPE de GALES -- (Lundgren-Cubs, Rucker-port)<br />TOLSTOI -- (Barger, Needham)<br />SWEET CAPORAL 460/25 -- (Bell-fol thru, Murphy-bat, O'Leary-hds knees)<br />OLD MILL (So Lge) -- (28 cards)<br />OLD MILL (asst.) -- (7 cards)<br />POLAR BEAR -- (Demmitt-St Louis, O'Hara-St Louis, Chase-trophy, Theilman)<br />SOVEREIGN 460 -- (12 cards)<br />SOVEREIGN 350 -- (14 cards)<br />SOVEREIGN 150 -- (HORIZ - Mullin, Pattee & Powell; Keeler-port)<br />SWEET CAPORAL - (104 cards)<br /><br />The following comprise my partially complete PIEDMONT-only set.<br /><br />PIEDMONT 460 --- ( 48 cards)<br />PIEDMONT 350 --- (203 cards)<br />PIEDMONT 150 --- (153 cards)<br /> <br />

Archive 06-05-2006 04:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>great collection, trex!<br />Dan K., the thinking about the EPDG being 350 only is very interesting.<br />please run through the arguments for me.<br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry

Archive 06-05-2006 05:27 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>Out of about 600 t206's, I only have 3 EPDG..Flanagan, Lumley and Spade.<br />Lindaman and Lundgren Chi are both Piedmont 150<br />Alan

Archive 06-05-2006 05:42 PM

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Barry,<br /> Many of us T206 "Nuts" believe that EPDG and Old Mill's were not distributed in the first series, but shortly thereafter. To date I have never seen any of the 9 "150 series only" cards with an Old Mill or EPDG back. Most show up with Piedmont backs, and most, if not all have been seen with Sovereign, Hindu, and Sweet Cap backs. Hope that helps Brian

Archive 06-05-2006 06:35 PM

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>many thanks, brian.<br />do you think this later than the 150's 'grand opening' explains the rarity of<br />the EPDG?<br />any explanation for why it has gotten so little <br />'acclaim' for its rarity?<br />obviously, it's no lenox or uzit but it sure is rarer than we thought.<br />thanks for the help, brian.<br />by the way, i heard you were a tarhill.<br />even though i've been a floridian for many, many years, i was born in N.C.<br />and went to Davidson College, so tarhill is in my blood---as well as these<br />206's.<br /><br />best<br /><br />barry

Archive 06-05-2006 06:56 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>For accuracy my list of the nine 150 series shortprints<br />should have read; <br />Browne(Chi),M. Brown (Cubs), Burch (Bat),Donlin (Fielding),<br />Evers (Blue),Pattee,Pelty,Powers, Reulbach (Glove). <br /><br />I've corresponded with collectors who have tried to<br />do all nine with all the back variations. They cannot <br />find EPDG or Old Mill, it was reasoned they do not <br />exist in 150 series. The first brands were Piedmont<br />Sweet Cap, Sovereign, and Hindu.<br /><br />I've emailed Bill Heitmann author of the T206 Monster,<br />some time ago.<br />He did not confirm the existence of the 9 with EPDG or<br />Old Mill backs. As I recall, when he checked, his were<br />Hindu backs.<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />

Archive 06-05-2006 07:01 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W<br /><br />I was really surprised to hear of a Lundgren (Cubs) with a P350 back. I have<br />hoarded several of these cards since the early '80s (about a dozen of them).<br />I have only seen this card with a 150 Subjects back (usually P150) and the<br />El Principe de Gales one that I have had for over 20 years.<br /><br />Now, the other player that I have never seen other than a "150" is Vive<br />Lindaman. And, at least two posters in this Thread have EPDG Lindaman backs<br />and one an even tougher HINDU back.<br /><br />You have seen many, many T206's and I ask you.....have you ever seen a "350"<br />Lindaman ?<br /><br />Heitman, Peavey and Reader all document that EPDG and HINDU backs were in<br />the 150-Series. And, I agree with you and Scot that OLD MILL (asst.) backs<br /> were not printed on the original 150-Series cards.<br /><br />In fact, Scot Reader suggests that the following could also be 150-only cards....<br /><br />Ames (front)....Doyle (throw)....Ewing....Tom Jones (St. Louis)....Lindaman....<br /> Lundgren (Cubs)....Schulte (Cubs).<br /><br />Ok, guys check-out your T206's and let's see if we can confirm that these cards<br />are indeed 150-only....or, do any of you have them with "350" backs ?<br /><br />I will start....my Ames, Doyle, Ewing, Jones and my 2 - Lindamans have P150<br />backs. All my Lundgrens have P150 backs, except the one EPDG back. And, I <br />have 5 - Schulte cards, 4 are P150 and 1 is a SC150.

Archive 06-05-2006 11:37 PM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>hi trex.<br /><br />this stuff is fascinating!<br /><br />all mine are 150's except my Lindaman is EPDG.<br /><br />i'm eager to hear from the rest of the crowd.<br /><br />best,<br /><br />herbivore barry

Archive 06-06-2006 01:03 AM

T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?
 
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ames, Doyle, Ewing, Schulte, & Lundgren Pied 150. <br /><br />I also have Ewing EPDG and a Lindaman Hindu. <br /><br />I will add the Jones as soon as I can find it.<br /><br />Lee


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