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03-27-2007 06:26 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Scot Reader These two somewhat scarce T206 subjects seem to turn up disproportionately with the Polar Bear back. The only Kleinow (Boston) I ever owned had this back. So time for another T206 survey! What back do your Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chicago & Boston) have? Polar Bear--or something else?

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03-27-2007 06:34 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Patrick McMenemyMy Kleinow (Boston) has a Sweet Capopral Cigarettes 350-460 Subjects, Factory No. 42 back. Patrick

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03-27-2007 06:43 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Steve M.Piedmont 350-460, Factory 25, 2d Dist VA

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03-27-2007 06:43 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: John Kleinow (Boston)= Sweet Caporal 350-460 Smith (Chicago & Boston)= Piedmont 350-460

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03-27-2007 06:51 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: MVSNYCKleinow, Bos PSA 5 = PB Smith, Chi & Bos PSA 5 = PB

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03-27-2007 06:53 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisSCOT Red Kleinow (Boston)....Piedmont 460 and Polar Bear Smith (Chi & Bos)....... Piedmont 460/25 Piedmont 460/42 American Bty 460 Cycle 460 Old Mill Polar Bear Sweet Cap 460/42 Sweet Cap 460/42 ovpt TED Z

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03-27-2007 06:56 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Frank WakefieldHey Scot, My Kleinow Boston is a Polar Bear back... My card of Frank "Piano Mover" Smith, Chicago and Boston, is a Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25.

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03-27-2007 07:49 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: George DreherI bet the American Beauty & Cycle back (Smith, Chicago and Boston) cards would bring one heck of a premium.

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03-27-2007 08:03 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ray PiskadloKleinow (Boston) = Polar Bear Smith (Chi & Bos) = Piedmont 350-460 42 NC

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03-27-2007 08:56 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: JohnGeorge, how about you with 6000+ T206's I bet you have some odd backs, also how many of the above card are in there and what backs are on them??

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03-27-2007 09:04 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Jim Dale<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1174964581.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1174964594.JPG">

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03-27-2007 09:15 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: George DreherJohn, according to my inventory list: Kleinow (Boston) = Piedmont, Polar Bear, Sweet Caporal Smith (Chicago & Boston) = Old Mill, Piedmont, Polar Bear, Sweet Caporal

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03-27-2007 09:31 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: barry arnoldKleinow bost. catching Pied 350-460/25 Smith chi,bost Polar Bear all the best, barry

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03-27-2007 09:32 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: darylecards has a Sweet Caporal 350-460 w/overprint back (the neat little ornate design). Don't remember exactly what backs the other two, but I believe they were both Polar Bear backs(???)

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03-27-2007 09:39 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ed McCollumPolar Bear for both

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03-27-2007 10:19 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: steve yawitzI only have the Kleinow, which is an Old Mill. <a href="http://imageevent.com/yawie99" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://imageevent.com/yawie99</a>

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03-27-2007 10:57 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Zach S.My Kleinow (Boston) is Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fact. 42 Zach S.

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03-28-2007 03:00 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Martin NealHi Scot, Kleinow (Boston) - Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 overprint Smith (Chicago and Boston) - Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 Smith (Chicago and Boston) - Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 overprint

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03-28-2007 03:08 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Shawn Scot, I have one of the two cards: Kleinow (Boston) Sweet Cap. 350-460 Fact. 42 Cheers, Shawn

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03-28-2007 06:15 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisMy Smith, AmBty 460 and Cycle 460 are, at best, Vg and they are "naked" cards, so I don't really think these two would get big $$'s on ebay. Besides, tough cards like these, will remain in my collection. I do appreciate your compliments. TED Z

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03-28-2007 06:39 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Mike ErnstMine are: Kleinow: Polar Bear Smith: Polar Bear and Piedmont 460/25

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03-28-2007 07:17 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: robkleinow - Polar Bear

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03-28-2007 07:48 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Scot Reader Thanks for the responses so far. Here is the tally (excluding factory designations): Kleinow: Polar Bear = 8/21 = 38% Piedmont = 4/21 = 19% Sweet Cap = 7/21 = 33% Old Mill = 1/21 = 5% Broad Leaf = 1/21 = 5% Smith: Polar Bear = 6/22 = 27% Piedmont = 8/22 = 36% Sweet Cap = 4/22 = 18% Old Mill = 2/22 = 9% American Beauty = 1/22 = 5% Cycle = 1/22 = 5% It's pretty clear these subjects are overrepresented with Polar Bear relative to typical 350/460 RP and 460-only subjects. Keep the responses coming!

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03-28-2007 07:51 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: MVSNYChmmm, definitely a pattern developing... the majority of these 2 cards do have Polar Bear backs. can we draw any parallels between these 2 cards and demmitt & o'hara?

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03-28-2007 07:59 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: T206Collector...Kleinow's (Boston) I have owned have been Piedmont and Sweet Caps. My Frank Smith (CHI/BOS) is a Polar Bear.

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03-28-2007 08:27 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: martindl My Kleinow is Piedmont 460 with Factory 42.

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03-28-2007 09:32 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: MillerhouseI have a Smith, Chic. & Bos., with a Uzit back. Dan

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03-28-2007 10:07 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Scot Reader Michael, We know that Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Both) were printed near the end of the 350/460 RP print run (for more information on this see my post on the recent thread on Demmitt and O'Hara started by Ted Z.). And it seems from this survey, at least preliminarily, that these two subjects are overrepresented with Polar Bear and Piedmont Factory 42 backs. This suggests a possible sequential printing of the 350/460 RP series in which at least the lion's share of the Polar Bear and Piedmont Factory 42 backed cards were printed near the end. Note that this is consistent with Factory 42 being a later factory; there are no Factory 42 backs the 150-only, 150/350 or 350-only series. Any connection between the overrepresentation of these subjects with Polar Bear and Demmitt and O'Hara (St. Louis) is not clear to me; although it is very interesting that all four of these "team change" subjects were printed disproportionately (in the case of Kleinow and Smith) or solely (in the case of Demmitt and O'Hara) with that back. Scot

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03-28-2007 10:43 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: T206Collector...these kinds of threads are.

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03-28-2007 10:51 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: MVSNYCScot- well explained, thanks...

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03-28-2007 11:26 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Bob CI also have SGC Smith Chicago & Boston with Uzit Back. (Thanks Craig D!)

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03-28-2007 11:55 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted and Scot, Nice thread.. I'm sorry to chime in so late, but I've been a bit under the weather. Here are my totals: Kleinow: Polar Bear Piedmont 25 460 Piedmont 42 460 Lenox Sweet Cap 42 460 Smith: Polar Bear Piedmont 42 460 American Beauty 460 Cycle 460

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03-28-2007 12:13 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: MattChalk up one more Kleinow (Boston) - Piedmont "350-460" Fac. 25

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03-28-2007 12:46 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: AndyKleinow, Boston - Polar Bear Thanks, Andy

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03-28-2007 05:53 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Scot Reader Thanks for the additinal input. Brian, since Lenox is far more often seen on traditional 460-only subjects than 350/460 RP subjects and since Kleinow is not a traditional 460-only subject but rather a 350/460 RP subject in disguise (that is, experienced the 460 portion of the 350/460 RP print run), I strongly suspect that your Kleinow Lenox is unique.

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03-28-2007 06:32 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: AnonymousHi Scott Smith(Chicago and Boston) SC 460 overprint Kleinow Polar Bear Drew

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03-28-2007 08:40 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: RonMine are both sweet cap 350-460 factory 42

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03-28-2007 09:29 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Lee BehrensHere are the ones that ihave or have owned: Kleinow: Old Mill Cycle Sweet Cap Polar Bear Smith: Old Mill Cycle Piedmont Fact 42 Lee

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03-29-2007 12:45 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: ElliotKleinow--Sweet Cap Smith--PB

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03-29-2007 12:54 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI found another Kleinow (Boston)....Sweet Caporal 460, Fac. 42 ovpt Pictures speak louder than words....26 years of collecting T206's, yields.... <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/arraysmith460.jpg">

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03-29-2007 06:22 AM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Scot, Here is a picture of the Lenox. I'm not sue I've seen another.. <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0018-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0019.jpg">

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03-29-2007 01:41 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Judson Hamlinare both Polar Bears here.

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03-30-2007 02:53 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThese two cards been confirmed with a dozen different backs....10 of which are common two both Subjects (Piedmont thru to Tolstoi). Where they differ are...... Kleinow........Broad Leaf 460, Lenox, and Red HINDU F Smith........American Beauty 460 and UZIT Does anyone know if they are available with any other backs ? TED Z

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03-30-2007 03:53 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted, I have seen the Smith with a Lenox back too.... Be well Brian

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03-30-2007 05:28 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: JeremyI don't know if this helps, but I sold a Polar Bear Smith(both)GAI 2.5 on ebay in September of '06.

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03-30-2007 07:30 PM

Kleinow (Boston) + Smith (Chicago & Boston) Back Survey

Posted By: Mike (18colt)Kleinow (Boston) -- Polar Bear Smith (Chicago & Boston) -- Polar Bear Mike (18colt)

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