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Archive 10-30-2005 07:36 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The 1st page of the Album depicts 4 BaseBall Champions<br />....Anson....Andrews....Caruthers....Brouthers< br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champions_2.jpg"><br /><br />This next page features 4 Jockeys from the 1880's.<br />Isaac Murphy is the 1st Black athlete to be portrayed<br />in a major sports card issue. He and "Snapper" Gar-<br />rison provided to the horse racing fans of that time<br />a very intense rivalry.<br /><br />The Lawn Tennis Association was established in the<br />1880's. The first National Championships (US Open)<br />were conducted in Newport, Rhode Island.<br /> Mr. Sears (upper left) was the reigning Champion<br />for most of the 1880's. <br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champion_5.jpg"><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champion_8.jpg">

Archive 10-30-2005 07:52 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ray</b><p>I don't collect 19th century stuff, but those pages are stunning! The picture in the middle of the lawn tennis page is unbelieveable! Thanks for sharing with us!

Archive 10-30-2005 06:05 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Ray<br /><br />There are 29 more Sports Champions that are spread<br />over 6 more very colorful pages. I will be displaying<br />them in subsequent posts. So, keep checking out this<br />thread. As I add a new page the number of Champions<br />on this Thread's Title increases. <br />

Archive 10-30-2005 07:36 PM

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>Ted -- Thanks for posting the images.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

Archive 10-31-2005 06:16 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The four Champion Bicyclists are Stevens, Rowe,<br />Prince, and Wood. At first glance it looks like<br />they are on UniCycles. But, upon closer observa-<br />tion there is a rear mini-wheel on their bikes. <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/bicycles1.jpg">

Archive 10-31-2005 06:50 PM

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Posted By: <b>Al Crisafulli</b><p>I just love the ones with sky in the background, for some reason. There's such rich color, and the clouds are so ominous. The baseball cards all look like there's a storm coming, with deep blues and grays in the background.<br /><br />Fantastic scans - thanks.<br /><br />-Al

Archive 11-02-2005 08:35 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The term "Pugilist" (from Latin) was more commonly used to describe<br />prize fighters back in the late 19th Century. So, here are the five<br />Pugilists in the N162 set.<br /><br />Most notable is John L. Sullivan, who was proclaimed the 1st Heavy-<br />weight champion by virtue of his bare knucle victories during the<br />1880's. In 1882 Sullivan fought James J. Corbett in the first match<br />under the Marquis of Queensbury Rules (boxing gloves & 3 min. rounds).<br />Sullivan lost this fight; and, his record was 32 wins and only 1 loss.<br /><br />The other 4 boxers are Jem Smith, Charlie Mitchell, Jack Kilrain, and<br />Jack Dempsey. This Dempsey is not the famous "Manassa Mauler" we all<br />know from the 1920's. However, he was a champion in his own right. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aaboxers.jpg">

Archive 11-02-2005 05:03 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Adam W.<br /><br />What can you tell us about Smith, Mitchell, Kilrain,<br />and the "original" Jack Dempsey ?<br />

Archive 11-03-2005 02:39 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Front cover of N162 Album (A36) with a very interesting<br />hand-written inscription that is dated....1889<br /><br />This Goodwin Champs set is catalogued as an 1888 issue.<br />But, I am skeptical about this, and its not based solely<br />on the year written on my Album. Two factors lead me to<br />believe that the cards were actually issued in 1889.<br /> They are:<br />Fred Dunlap was traded to Pittsburgh in 1888....and<br /><br />Beecher was in the Yale class of 1888.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/a36_cover.jpg">

Archive 11-03-2005 02:59 PM

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Let's start with the background: at the time these folks were active there were three divisions: light, middle and heavyweight. Also, there was a divergence in rules between the London Prize Ring and the Marquis of Queensbury. Also, with the distances between the US and UK, there wasn't really a "world" champion but there were champions from each area who would on occasion slug it out. <br /><br />Jake Kilrain at his peak was a fireplug of 5'10" and 230#. His most notable fight was the 1889 heavyweight championship bout between Jake Kilrain and John L. Sullivan. Again, a little background: There was no organized commission or sport awarding belts. Paddy Ryan was generally acknowledged as the US champ when Sullivan demolished him and took over. For several years Sullivan was recognized as the man. Kilrain was championed by Richard K. Fox, the publisher of the Police Gazette, who hated Sullivan. Fox put up a belt and had Kilrain challenge Sullivan in 1887. When JLS refused because they couldn't come to terms, Fox crowned Kilrain champ, but no one bought it. On July 8, 1889 they finally rumbled in New Orleans, Sullivan winning the 75-rounder. The only reason it went 75 rounds is that Kilrain ran away more than the knights in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. <br /><br />Jem Smith was champion of England for a time. He rumbled with Kilrain for 106 rounds, to a draw. By 1889, having had his can kicked successively by Peter Jackson and Frank Slavin, he retired. Since Kilrain and Smith draw and Sullivan demolished Kilrain, you have some idea of where Smith stood in the heirarchy. <br /><br />Charlie Mitchell was another English champ. He fought with Sullivan to a 39-round draw in 1888. Mitchell then went with Jim Corbett in 1894 in Florida, but got his butt kicked in 3 rounds. <br /><br />Jack "Nonpariel" Dempsey was middleweight champ during the 3-division period, holding that title from 1884-1891. Bob Fitzsimmons KO'd him in 13 rounds to take the crown. Fitz went on to become the first fighter to hold two titles at the same time when he beat Corbett for the heavyweight title. <br /><br />

Archive 11-04-2005 06:57 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Adam W.<br /><br />Thanks much for the insight into these four boxers.<br /><br />I try to get as much information on all the 50 Champs<br />in this set. It is my favorite sportscard set of all the<br />sets I have collected. And, they are numerous.

Archive 11-06-2005 12:57 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The Billiards Champions are Daly, Sexton, Schaefer, Vignaux,<br /> and Slosson.<br /><br />For a long time these cards were underpriced in the N162 set.<br />Recent sales and auctions' higher prices for these guys are<br />indicative of the growing collector base for billiards cards. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/billiards1.jpg">

Archive 11-09-2005 06:49 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The top card is D'Oro, a Pool player. Why he is differentiated from<br />the Billiards players of that era.....I am not sure.....Can anyone on<br />this Forum explain this to me ?<br /><br />Two Wrestlers are depicted....Muldoon and Joe Acton.<br /><br />Emil Voss has the title "Strongest Man in the World".<br /><br />And.....the "Champion of the Wild West Hunters" goes to the inimitable<br />"Buffalo Bill" Cody. I always wondered why his companion, Annie Oakley,<br />was not in this set ? Both of these Wild West legends are featured in<br />the 1887 Allen & Ginters set.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/buffbill.jpg">

Archive 11-09-2005 11:33 AM

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>It appears that D'Oro is portrayed as a pocket billiards player (which, of course, is a different game).<br /><br />Oakley and her husband were performers at the Cody show, much like Sitting Bull. But it was his show.

Archive 11-09-2005 12:04 PM

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Posted By: <b>MyBuddy</b><p>Two totally unscientific oberservations on D'Oro (based on his t218 card):<br />1 -- Shot left-handed<br />2 -- Cuban<br />Maybe this gave him some "intrigue."<br /><br />Wish I could add something to the boxing post, other than the best looking cards in set (IMveryHumbleO) ...

Archive 11-09-2005 01:14 PM

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Pool and billards are two very different games, thus distinction. Billards was much much more popular than pool back then, thus the reason for more billiards players.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I'm incompetent at being incontenent.

Archive 11-09-2005 07:04 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Gil or Jay<br /><br />The only game I have ever played on a modern day pool table<br /> is "8 - Ball", using 15 balls and of course a cue ball.<br /><br />It looks like the old game of billiards was played with<br />only 3 balls. Can you please explain this game ?

Archive 11-09-2005 07:12 PM

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Posted By: <b>Glenn</b><p>Pool is the game we are all familiar with and is sometimes mistakenly referred to as billiards. An actual billiard table has no pockets; the object in billiards is not to sink balls into pockets (which, again, are nonexistent), but rather, in a single shot, to make successive contact between the cue ball and several rails of the table followed by contact with one of the billiard balls.

Archive 11-10-2005 06:23 AM

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>Ted, on the surface it is very simple, but billiards is more like chess than you would think. Actually, it is more like chess while riding a bicycle blindfolded.<br /><br />In this game you shoot your cue ball so that it strikes one of the other two balls and three cushions before it hits the last ball.<br />There are many variations on this theme.

Archive 11-11-2005 04:47 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Glenn and Gil<br /><br />Thanks for the Billiards lesson, guys.<br /><br />But, I will "stick" to straight pool, to me its a lot more fun.<br /><br />Gil, I think I'm a pretty good chess player; but, I'm not sure<br />I understand your comparison between Billiards & Chess ?

Archive 11-11-2005 05:23 AM

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>Just when you think that you have every angle figured to perfection - along comes the oversight. A little unplanned spin on your rook, bouncing harder than you thought off of the knight ...<br /><br />Billiards is a lot of figuring out the best shot. It is a lot of implementing too. But if you can figure it out, the skill will come, I think.<br />Of course, this does not really apply to three cushion billiards (which is where the bicycle and blindfold come in). But if you try one cushion billiards, you will quickly find that you play position to achieve a run of several shots.<br /><br />Unless you are quite experienced Ted, three cushion billiards is a game that you try with a friend - and by the time that either of you makes a successful shot - you have had enough of that game.

Archive 11-11-2005 09:55 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Speaking about Chess....here are the Chess Champions featured<br />in the N162 set:<br /><br />.....Zukertort.....Steinitz.....Capt. MacKenzie<br /><br />Also 3 Pedestrian Champions are depicted on this page:<br /><br />.....Rowell.....James Albert.....Pat Fitzgerald<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/chess2.jpg">

Archive 11-12-2005 07:18 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>GIL<br /><br />If I recall correctly, you grew up in or near NY (I'm assuming<br />this since you are a NY Giants fan) while I was growing up in<br />Hillside, NJ. Now, there were several pool halls in the nearby<br />cities of Elizabeth, Linden, and Newark. But, I do not recall<br />any Billiards tables, hence nobody played this game. It was<br />strictly pool.....all forms of the game.<br /><br />My question to you....was Billiards played where you grew up ?

Archive 11-14-2005 03:23 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>This page completes the N162 Champions.<br /><br />The four Oarsmen are....Beach, Teemer, Hanlan, Gaudaur<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/oarsmen1.jpg">

Archive 11-16-2005 04:41 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The last page in the A36 Album depicts 4 more BB Champions<br />.....Glasscock.....Keefe.....Kelly.....Dunlap<b r /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/lastpage1.jpg">

Archive 11-17-2005 04:47 AM

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />As you will recall at that time, pool halls were not the gala extravaganzas where one could entertain members of the opposite sex, which exist today.<br /><br />You could rent a table, and pay by the time which you clocked out and in. Some pool halls had king tables (bigger - I forget the dimensions), some also had billiards tables.<br /><br />I watched some (what then were older) guys playing billiards, and asked the guy who clocks you out and in on tables how the game was played. He recommended we try no cushion billiards. Which we did. You discover quickly with that game that you can trap the two other balls in a corner and get quite a few points in succession.<br /><br />From there we moved on to one cushion billiards, which is a real game. Then three cushion billiards, which is a significant challenge, unless you are quite proficient. The "older" guys we were watching on that day, were playing three cushion. And were doing so successfully.<br /><br />Very few pool halls had billiard tables. Actually most pool halls had less than twelve tables (usually 1 king). I have probably spent six or so hours shooting billiards so far in my life - so I am far from knowledgable on this subject. Maybe others here can add some insight.

Archive 11-17-2005 02:45 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Henry W. Beecher is the first Football player depicted in a<br />Sports card set. The 1st set of College FB players is the 1894<br />Mayo Cut Plug issue. Beecher was in the Yale Class of 1888.<br /><br />He played for coach Walter Camp, who is considered the "Father<br />of Modern American Football". Before Camp came to Yale, Foot-<br />ball was a game played Rugby/Soccer style; it was brutal.<br />Camp developed the game as we know it now with downs, passing<br />and an 11 man playing team in the field. Goodwin should have<br />portrayed him in this set, as he was also a great player.<br /><br />Also featured on this page are:<br />Capt. Bogardus (Marksman)....Myers (Runner)....Duncan<br />Ross (Broad Swordsman)....W.Byrd Page (High Jumper)<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/beecherbogard.jpg">

Archive 11-17-2005 02:57 PM

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Posted By: <b>Darren J. Duet</b><p>Thanks for posting this.

Archive 11-18-2005 05:35 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks Darren<br /><br />As you probably know this is a very rare 19th Century Album. The only<br />guy I know that ever sells this Album is Terry Knouse (TIK & TIK).<br /><br />This Forum allows me to share the magnificent colorful artwork from<br />my N162 Album. We tend to get carried away on this Forum with single<br />card issues and in particular rectangular pieces of plastic.<br /><br />So, I thought showing these pages would be a pleasant change of pace. <br />This is what I call Vintage....19th Century....at it's best. It doesn't get<br /> much better than this.<br /> <br /><br />


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