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Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 11:46 AM

Card doctoring video
 
Presented without comment.

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

butchie_t 04-28-2023 12:01 PM

Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

BioCRN 04-28-2023 12:09 PM

He was "caught" buying doctoring supplies off his Ebay account in the past. I guess he's just owning it at this point.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butchie_t (Post 2335514)
Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

Damn it. It was from Evan and had a nice demonstration.

BioCRN 04-28-2023 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butchie_t (Post 2335514)
Looks like the video is gone, along with the account.

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69

It's the first video. TT videos copy/pasting is weird. I don't use TT, but I've seen sharing errors in the past.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 12:19 PM

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.

butchie_t 04-28-2023 12:38 PM

Every bit of suckage and not cool IMHO.

Lucas00 04-28-2023 12:56 PM

Gary went 58 years in amazing natural condition just to get violated by some idiot. Gotta hate it!

nwobhm 04-28-2023 01:00 PM

Cool video…..no way in hell I would buy a high grade anything that is expensive. If it’s that easy….:eek:

Buythatcard 04-28-2023 01:15 PM

That video was disturbing.

Johnny630 04-28-2023 01:22 PM

Did he have ties with Pwcc or that guy that has some other grading company ?

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buythatcard (Post 2335539)
That video was disturbing.

What I find most interesting is that he just flaunts it.

I guess with the apparent failure of the FBI investigation to lead anywhere, it's a safe world now. Hack em up, grade em, sell em or consign em, repeat.

parkplace33 04-28-2023 01:55 PM

This exact video is why high grade slabbed cards, especially prewar, need to be viewed with suspicious eyes.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parkplace33 (Post 2335556)
This exact video is why high grade slabbed cards, especially prewar, need to be viewed with suspicious eyes.

I thought our beloved TPGs were supposed to have suspicious eyes. Oh, wait.

YazFenway08 04-28-2023 02:16 PM

i don’t know how i thought it worked…but pretty sure i didn’t think it was that easy.

JimC 04-28-2023 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2335522)
https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.


Look at you, Peter Spaeth, roaming Tik Tok. My kids won't allow me on that site for fear I'll break the internet.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimC (Post 2335567)
Look at you, Peter Spaeth, roaming Tik Tok. My kids won't allow me on that site for fear I'll break the internet.

LOL. It was posted on Blowout, so really I am only roaming Blowout.

Fuddjcal 04-28-2023 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2335522)
https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...40015920319790

This works for me but not sure what the story is.

That's awesome to see how the criminals do it.

I can't wait to practice on some of mine. Much easier than I thought. Even fat ex football players with sausage fingers can do it:rolleyes:

Fuddjcal 04-28-2023 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2335550)
What I find most interesting is that he just flaunts it.

I guess with the apparent failure of the FBI investigation to lead anywhere, it's a safe world now. Hack em up, grade em, sell em or consign em, repeat.

It's about time. This is what every shady slimy dealer, doctors and PWCC's own conservator, Brent Mastro has been able to hide & kept quiet for 20 years or more.

Can't wait until he shows exactly what soaking solution they use and the next tic tac on coloring.

Great new business idea!!! Endorsed by all the 3rd party graders too.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal (Post 2335584)
That's awesome to see how the criminals do it.

I can't wait to practice on some of mine. Much easier than I thought. Even fat ex football players with sausage fingers can do it:rolleyes:

I think there are more sophisticated techniques involving pressing out the card, so that hacking it does not yield a short/narrow card. But you may not need to be very sophisticated to get it by our beloved TPGs.

darwinbulldog 04-28-2023 02:58 PM

Glad he posted it. Hopefully this sort of thing eventually takes us from these card prices that increase exponentially by numerical grade back to the good old-fashioned prices that increase linearly (and barely) by condition. I much preferred when the NM-Mt cards were 2x the price of VG cards.

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 2335588)
Glad he posted it. Hopefully this sort of thing eventually takes us from these card prices that increase exponentially by numerical grade back to the good old-fashioned prices that increase linearly (and barely) by condition. I much preferred when the NM-Mt cards were 2x the price of VG cards.

I admire your optimism, but I think more people than not understand that this goes on and don't care.

Bigdaddy 04-28-2023 03:18 PM

Sometimes shinning a flashlight in the darkness can get uncomfortable, but I'd rather be uncomfortable and aware than not.

Johnny630 04-28-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2335598)
I admire your optimism, but I think more people than not understand that this goes on and don't care.

That’s the bottom line...many if not most know and do not care.

jimq16415 04-28-2023 03:39 PM

Here's an article about Mathis selling his 1952 Topps Mantle for $2.88 Million years ago.https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/20/19...rd-topps-sells

ALBB 04-28-2023 03:54 PM

doctor
 
WOW,
Im not saying its easy..but it sure looks easy !!

theshowandme 04-28-2023 04:08 PM

Former NFL lineman who has been caught many times before.

Sad

Leon 04-28-2023 04:09 PM

Collect cards with big borders.

https://luckeycards.com/pt216ve.jpg

brianp-beme 04-28-2023 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2335615)
Collect cards with big borders.

https://luckeycards.com/pt216ve.jpg

I agree...big bordered cards are the ideal ones to trim down.

Brian (not a trimming expert, but now I have a video for guidance)

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 04:46 PM

This too is Evan. Also presented without comment. I am not sure how it connects to trimming cards.

https://godseer.com/

bnorth 04-28-2023 05:42 PM

I am shocked, shocked I say.

But when you can turn a $5 card into a $2000 card because there are people lined up for that $2000 card and they don't care why not.:eek:

Peter_Spaeth 04-28-2023 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2335627)
This too is Evan. Also presented without comment. I am not sure how it connects to trimming cards.

https://godseer.com/

And this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5tEBz1LFVg&t=1844s

Tyruscobb 04-28-2023 07:28 PM

The irony made me laugh. Evan repeatedly advised the audience to carefully perform certain doctoring tricks a specific way to avoid damaging the card. He then proceeds to cut the card’s entire top edge off. :D

Smarti5051 04-28-2023 07:41 PM

This is why my collection is all PSA 1-5 quality. In 25 years, when all of the low grade cards are altered/doctored to be PSA 7+, my low grade cards will have unlimited potential, much like the allure of an unopened pack today.

bnorth 04-28-2023 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarti5051 (Post 2335660)
This is why my collection is all PSA 1-5 quality. In 25 years, when all of the low grade cards are altered/doctored to be PSA 7+, my low grade cards will have unlimited potential, much like the allure of an unopened pack today.

I have sold several Authentic and low grade cards in PSA slabs to see them show back up in a new holder. The exact same card magically being a little nicer and one to 2 grades higher. Collecting lower grade cards does not mean they haven't already been worked on.

Casey2296 04-28-2023 08:33 PM

That guy is a poor excuse for a human being with no moral character whatsoever.

Snowman 04-28-2023 08:56 PM

I wonder why he's posting this video? Wasn't he previously denying the card trimming allegations? And wasn't he allegedly being investigated by the FBI during that whole trimming scandal investigation that ended up going nowhere?

I wonder if PSA and SGC cut him off or something like that, and this is his retaliation? Because he cross-posted this video on Instagram, and he tagged Nat Turner in the comments, saying "this is how all of your vintage cards got high grades".

Exhibitman 04-28-2023 09:28 PM

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ter%20fire.jpg

And a card:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0Cochrane.jpeg

Trim this, you jagoff.

justrun7 04-29-2023 05:48 AM

https://i.imgur.com/0MZFAlph.jpg

bnorth 04-29-2023 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by justrun7 (Post 2335726)

That is hilarious and true of 99.999% of all high grade vintage cards.:)

bmattioli 04-29-2023 06:56 AM

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Going to give it a try..

dmats33312 04-29-2023 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2335665)
I have sold several Authentic and low grade cards in PSA slabs to see them show back up in a new holder. The exact same card magically being a little nicer and one to 2 grades higher. Collecting lower grade cards does not mean they haven't already been worked on.

Yes, but it’s a far lower loss if it is found out to be manipulated over a high grade card. I try to get low grade with solid eye appeal for this reason. Not because it’s not possible that it has been worked on but because it’s much closer to the floor if anything has.

Johnny630 04-29-2023 08:44 AM

I think Mathis is just angry and bitter ….he is one of the few guys to have owned a high grade 52 Mantle and not make money on it over the past 20 years. He had a great card, a PSA 9 and he made no money and who bought it flipped it real fast and made $3 million!

cannonballsun 04-29-2023 09:01 AM

That Tik Tok video makes card doctoring look very easy.
It should make anyone who is buying high grade cards think twice (or more).

jayshum 04-29-2023 10:42 AM

He did make it look easy, but he also was starting with a card that was a little over standard size so after trimming some off, it just involved trying to get rid of the evidence that it was recently trimmed. For cards that are already at standard size, I would imagine there's a lot more work to trim them then to get them back to the correct size while not making it obvious.

Peter_Spaeth 04-29-2023 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2335815)
He did make it look easy, but he also was starting with a card that was a little over standard size so after trimming some off, it just involved trying to get rid of the evidence that it was recently trimmed. For cards that are already at standard size, I would imagine there's a lot more work to trim them then to get them back to the correct size while not making it obvious.

Some card doctors will press out cards before trimming them. Also, though, countless cards are a bit short of standard size but nevertheless get slabbed. I think you can microtrim with relative impunity.

conor912 04-29-2023 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cannonballsun (Post 2335781)
That Tik Tok video makes card doctoring look very easy.
It should make anyone who is buying high grade cards think twice (or more).

Certainly a very valid concern for many, but I'm more worried about how many idiots with a razor blade and some wax paper this is going to inspire.

Johnny630 04-29-2023 01:22 PM

It’s things like this clip pretty much bashing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.

Republicaninmass 04-29-2023 01:33 PM

Guess psa and himself aren't pals anymore. Seems like a guy who wouldn't last a minute in the old neighborhood without an elder giving him "one off the head"

Snowman 04-29-2023 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2335850)
It’s things like this clip pretty much basing calling PSA out that assure we aren't going to be getting anything higher then a 7 on Pre 1960’s cards. This video plays a part in us getting hammered on Grades.

Ya, there's no such thing as a gem mint vintage card. If you think you found one, you've probably been duped.


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