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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Ron</b><p>What would be your top twenty players to collect<br>(if you were collecting for value)? Not card issues<br>just by player and your order of rank.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Ron<br><br>If you were collecting for investment.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Do you mean the best player for your buck, or the 20 most expensive players to collect?
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>1- Wagner<br>2- Cobb<br>3- Ruth<br>4- Joe Jackson<br>5- Walter Johnson<br><br>6- Mathewson<br>7- Cy Young<br>8- Lajoie<br>9- Alexander<br>10- McGraw<br><br><br>More later.<br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Not in order but off the top of my head here they are..........<br><br>Babe Ruth<br>Lou Gehrig<br>Honus Wagner<br>Ty Cobb<br>Joe Jackson<br>Christy Mathewson<br>Waler Johnson<br>Grover Alexander<br>Josh Gibson<br>Rogers Hornsby<br>Cap Anson<br>Ed Delahanty<br>Cy Young<br>Mickey Mantle<br>Oscar Charleston<br>Pop Lloyd<br>Tris Speaker<br>Ted Williams<br>Stan Musial<br>Willie Mays<br><br><br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Joe DiMaggio and Buck Weaver to the list.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>I don't know, Steve. I see a much greater investment allure for Pop Lloyd cards than I do DiMaggio. Or Aaron. Or Koufax.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>For the most part, I don't collect as an investment, but if did, I'd focus on undervalued players in undervalued sets. I'd also try and project who might be more highly regarded, and less regarded, in the future. For instance, if Joe Jackson ever went into the hall of Fame, I believe it would devalue his cards, since he's basically a Rogers Hornsby-level player, and currently, his cards can outsell Cobb and Ruth in comparable sets. I suspect that as time goes by, statistical analysis and not membership in the Hall of Fame will have a greater bearing on how people judge a player's ability. Also, I'd collect players who people have a sentimental attachment to ...<br><br>1) Honus Wagner (the second greatest player ever and much cheaper than Ruth)<br>2) Babe Ruth<br>3) Jackie Robinson (his stature in baseball history will only increase with time)<br>4) Lou Gehrig<br>5) Joe DiMaggio<br>6) Satchel Paige <br>7) Ty Cobb<br>8) Ted Williams<br>9) Christy Mathewson<br>10) Walter Johnson<br>11) Willie Mays<br>12) Hank Aaron<br>13) Roberto Clemente<br>14) Cy Young<br>15) Lefty Grove (very much undervalued)<br>16) Jimmie Foxx (undervalued)<br>17) Yogi Berra<br>18) Stan Musial <br>19) Sandy Koufax (grab those Bell Brands and Morrells now!)<br>20) Any Negro Leaguers in the Hall of Fame (since statistics have little use when evaluating Negro League players)<br><br>In particular, I consider Mickey Mantle, Dizzy Dean and Joe Jackson to be overvalued ... along with about half the players in the Hall of Fame.<br><br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with the inclusion of Josh Gibson on any investor's list either: he's got like one card and it's value is down about 80% in the past 3 years.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Chris I agree completely on Dizzy Dean...he is ridiculously overvalued<br><br>My list:<br>1. Roberto Clemente - He'll be there with Jackie Robinson in time, but he's not quite there yet. While I think Robinson has leveled off, the Latin influence on baseball continues to grow, and Clemente is their patron saint of baseball.<br><br>2. Lefty Grove - Best. Pitcher. Ever. People just don't realize it yet<br><br>3 and 4. Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb - These guys are the elite of the elite, and always will be. As long as there is demand for baseball cards there will be no shortage of buyers for their material.<br><br>5. Lou Gehrig - A rung below Ruth and Cobb as far as career accomplishments, but probably not for notoriety. His name will live on forever, even among casual baseball fans.<br><br>6. Christy Mathewson - Has always been and will always be popular with vintage collectors. Johnson was a better pitcher and Alexander has stats that match his, but Matty seems to have that certain something that appeals to collectors.<br><br>7. Cy Young - The award that bears his name has ensured that his name will live on forever.<br><br>8. Jimmie Foxx - Like Grove, he seems very undervalued relative to his career accomplishments<br><br>9. Stan Musial - A more modern version of Foxx<br><br>10. Gavvy Cravath - If you want to take an outside shot at a Veterans Committee selection, anything related to him might be worth a try<br><br><br>Also: Ted Williams, Walter Johnson, Tris Speaker, Connie Mack, Honus Wagner, Charlie Gehringer, Satchel Paige<br><br>Overvalued: Dean, Marginal Giants HOFers (Bancroft, Jackson, Kelly, Lindstrom), Tinker/Evers/Chance, Hank Greenberg
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Greg - no WoJo?<br><br><p><br><br><br><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a></p>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Oops...had him on there and accidentally deleted him!
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>JohnnyH</b><p>Great lists. I feel like a couple of the most undervalued cards right now are Jackie Robinson and Pete Rose. Rose is way way down for all the obvious reasons but is the greatest hitter to ever play the game, and when he dies everything will change. Both of these players have a good chance to have a major hollywood movie done about them someday and demand for their cards would be huge when that happens. I also believe that Rose has a legit shot at getting in the hall after his death and do think it will happen.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>how about 21<br><br>Fatty Arbuckle<br>Oscar Charleston<br>Jimmy Claxton<br>Chuck Connors<br>Ed Delahanty<br>Josh Gibson<br>Pete Hill<br>Joe Jackson<br>Pop Lloyd<br>Cornelius McGillicutty<br>Fred McMullin<br>Bid McPhee<br>Ernie Nevers<br>Swede Risberg<br>Frank Selee<br>Louis Sockalexis<br>Jim Thorpe<br>Cristobal Torriente<br>Buck Weaver<br>Claude Williams<br>Harry Wright<br><br>edited to add "The Rifleman"<br><br>PS and I didnt include any Jewish or Deaf players, which I easily could have<br><br><br><br><br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Chris, I agree with much of your list, but have a hard time thinking Wagner is the second best player ever, unless you have Ruth & Cobb tied for first. Also, I find it puzzling that you would think Dizzy Dean is Overvalued yet you think Sandy Koufax is Undervalued, Really?<br>-Rhett<br><br>Edited to add: Greg, I like a lot of your choices too, especially Grove, he was incredible, also imagine if the Orioles hadn't held onto his contract for as long as they did. <br>Also, I agree wih Tinker & Evers being overrated BUT Chance was quite a bit better than those two and he would have made the Hall had he never played but just for his Managerial record. I guess I feel is is much more legit than his song counterparts.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Also, I wanted to add if one is talking about the most underrated players of all time I feel like <b>Lefty Grove</b> is probably the top pitcher, while for hitters I think it is <b>Eddie Collins</b> hands down! <br><br>While Wagner's numbers are better compared to his contemporaries (meaning he led his league in more offensive categories, etc.), if you look strictly at the numbers Wagner & Collins are so similar it is kinda startling. <br><br>Getting back to Wagner, one could easily make the argument that had Wagner been in the American League he may have been overshadowed by not only Cobb but Speaker & Lajoie as well. Admittedly, however, that is tough to argue as Wagner was the best in the National League at the time, and we can never know how he would have done against the AL pitching.<br>-Rhett
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>In Glory of Their Times, Sam Crawford opined that Wagner was better than Cobb.<br><br>EDIT TO ADD FWIW Bill James agrees, he ranks Wagner second behind Ruth, and Cobb fifth, after Mays and Oscar Charleston.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>1. Babe Ruth<br>2. Ty Cobb<br>3. Honus Wagner<br>4. Mickey Mantle<br>5. Joe Dimaggio<br>6. Lou Gehrig<br>7. Joe Jackson<br>8. Ted Williams<br>9. Christy Mathewson<br>10. Walter Johnson<br>11. Cap Anson<br>12. Jackie Robinson<br>13. Willie Mays<br>14. Hank Aaron<br>15. Cy Young<br>16. Nap Lajoie<br>17. Tris Speaker<br>18. Rogers Hornsby<br>19. Grover Cleveland Alexander<br>20. Ed Delehanty
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Ruth<br>Mantle<br>Cobb<br>Wagner<br>Anson<br> Gehrig<br>Mathewson<br>J Robinson<br>Clemente<br>J Jackson<br>T Williams<br>Mays<br>Koufax<br>W Johnson<br>Young<br>DiMaggio<br>Alexander<br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>King Kelly might be deserving of a top 20 finish.<br><br>
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>Rhett,<br><br>I agree Koufax is overvalued. But the question pertained to collecting as an investment, and I believe Koufax will always be overvalued, especially when the supply of his tougher regional cards dries up ...<br><br>As for Wagner, I have no problem putting him ahead of Cobb because of his versatility and defense. In addition to being the dominant hitter in the National League during his era, he was considered by some of his contemporaries to be the best defensive player in the game ... at any position! Because of the status of his T206 as the ultimate card, there will always be a mystique about owning a Wagner card. Plus, aren't there a lot more Cobbs out there than Wagners?
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Bob Beyerle</b><p>Rube Waddell should have made someones's top twenty list. Wagner will always be number one on my list.
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>JB</b><p> Re: Top twenty players to collect? <br><br><br>1. Babe Ruth -<br>Ty Cobb <br>(flip a coin) for 1-2<br><br>3. Honus Wagner <br>4. Joe Jackson <br>5. Lou Gehrig<br>6. Joe Dimaggio <br>7. Mantle<br>8. Walter Johnson <br>9. Christy Mathewson <br>10. Cap Anson-<br> Nap Lajoie<br><br>.Ted Williams<br>. Willie Mays <br>. Hank Aaron <br>. Cy Young <br> <br> Jackie Robinson
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>1. Ruth<br>2. Wagner<br>3. Cobb<br>4. Joe Jackson<br>5. Walter Johnson<br>6. Mathewson<br>7. Cy Young<br>8. Cap Anson<br>9. Gehrig<br>10. DiMaggio<br>11. Ted Williams<br>12. Mantle<br>13. Buck Weaver<br>14. Jimmy Claxton<br>15. Jackie Robinson<br>16. Lajoie<br>17. Koufax<br>18. Clemente<br>19. Eddie Collins<br>20. Lefty Grove<br><br>If they only had more cards/memorabilia, certainly in the top 20: Satchell Paige, Josh Gibson
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Scott Dango</b><p>but you are all missing 1 name....<br><br>an all time great....<br><br>a clean player amoung the cheats....<br><br>Albert Pujols......
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>I have never been a common player card guy just for the sake of set completion. I have never collected a set with the stars and all the commons. <br><br>Stars only please.<br><br>Most of the superstars y'all listed are great! Outside of vintage baseball, I do have a hanker'in for the old 1960's Panini Cassius Clay cards.<br><br>steve
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Who says Pujols is clean?
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Top twenty players to collect?
Posted By: <b>Claude</b><p>Just for fun I tallied a score:<br><br>I gave points to the players in reverse order of their position in the list (1st name 20 points, 2nd name 19 points all the way down to the 20th players which get 1 point) a player to qualify needed at least 3 votes.<br><br>1) Ruth 155 <br>2) Cobb 141 <br>3) Wagner 130 <br>4) Mathewson 110<br>5) Gehring 110 <br>6) Jackson 105 <br>7) Johnson 88 <br>8) Young 75 <br>9) Mantle 66 <br>10) DiMaggio 63 <br>11) Anson 60 <br>12) Williams 58 <br>13) Robinson 51 <br>14) Clemente 43 <br>15) Mays 36 <br>16) Lajoie 33 <br>17) Alexander 29 <br>18) Grove 26 <br>19) Delahanty 26 <br>20) Aaron 23 <br>
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