The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series.....Show us your cards
 

There are 22 regular issue T-brand backs printed on the T206 subjects in the 350/460 Series. Also, there are the Sweet Cap 460, Factory #30 "scraps" (not issued).


460-type backs

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...series25xx.jpg


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0factory42.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psc8c09003.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460Fac30bx.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...x460Fac30x.jpg
.......................... Factory #42 ........................




350-type backs

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psee0acdf3.jpg



Circa Spring/Summer of 1910, American Lithographic (ALC) printed their last group (66 subjects) of their SOVEREIGN 350 press runs. ALC printed the backs of these
cards with a pale color of green ink (apple green). Earlier press runs of SOVEREIGN 350 cards (140 subjects) were printed with a darker color of green ink.

Anyhow, 63 of the 66 subjects printed with the apple green backs were subsequently printed with 460 series backs. The Joe Doyle, Simon Nicholls, and Bob Rhoades
cards from this original group of 66 were not printed with 460 series backs, since their Major League careers had ended prior to the 460 series press runs.

Most T206 collectors are very knowledgeable on the various front/back permutations of this set. However, these T206's that were printed with both 350 series backs
and 460 series backs can be quite complicated. Especially the Six Super-Prints which can be found with as many as 24 different backs.


It is always fun to review 350/460 series. And, an additional intent of this thread is to inform T206 collectors who have just started working on their T206 adventure.

Show us your 350/460 series T206 cards. Pictures are always worth at least 1000 words. Especially, your cards with the tougher backs. Perhaps then we'll discover
some new front/back combos. There still remains quite a number of unconfirmed front/back combos in the 350/460 series.


TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....let's see some cards
 

In the SOVEREIGN press runs, American Lithographic printed the Six Super-Prints first with the SOVEREIGN 350 backs. Then re-printed these same
Six Super-Prints with the SOVEREIGN 460 backs. The red Cobb is an example of the beginning of the 350/460 series reproduction......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ign350x25b.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EIGN460x50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EREIGN460b.jpg



TED Z
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I thought I actually knew something about T206's until I read through all your posts. So informative. This is excellent.

:) my red "obb" Piedmont 42

Conroy (Batting) is my favorite T206.

And an interesting Leach SC 350-460 OP.

Pat R

Nice display of Conroy's.


Here is one of my favorite 350/460 series dudes......


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...incycle460.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...p460sc42pb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...incycle460.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...p460sc42pb.jpg



Hey Guys....you can catch "Turkey" Mike on the TCM Channel when they are featuring the old Silent Movies. Donlin appeared in 65 movies from 1914 - 1933.
Including, the classic The General and, the 1927 popular BB movie....Slide Kelly Slide



TED Z
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Nice Turkeys Ted. Man I'm getting thirsty .......... I mean hungry.... well maybe both :D

The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....let's see some cards
 

Every ones favorite 350/460 series Cobb......


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...OLDMILLx50.jpg



TED Z
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Cobb's teammate was a pretty good slugger in the deadball era.

I've shown this one before, but I hope no one minds...

:D

The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Illustrated here are the 66 subjects that American Lithographic selected to continue into the 460 series. My theory is simple....this group of cards were printed on the last sheets of the original
350 series cards. With the exception of the 6 super-prints, notice that all the images are action poses (which is typical of the design in the latter phases of each T206 series).

v................................................. ....... Super-Prints .................................................. .......v
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rprints12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...bConDav12x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rprints12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...urpNich12x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DouDow12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sLajLak12x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PfeReul12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...WillWhi12x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...McInMul12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ySnoSta12x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rCYoSte12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LDoyElb12x.jpg



Provided here is a pictorial guide to the 63 subjects in the mystical 350/460 series....so, let us see some of your "goodies". The more of these that you have with tougher backs, the better.
Perhaps then we will discover some new front/back combos. There still remains quite a number of unconfirmed front/back combos in the 350/460 series.

Thanks for your inputs.


TED Z
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Here's a tough one to get

Attachment 195716 Attachment 195717

Here's 2 of mine.

The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

My favorite Jennings card in the 350/460 series is this "one hand" version. It can be found with the American Beauty 460 (AB 460) back.
This is a very tough F/B combo to find....I think only 4 are known.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ngsHand50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sHand50xbx.jpg



On the other hands (pun), Jennings "two hands" version is easier to find with an AB 460 back. This pose was also printed with the AB 350 (no frame) back.
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ngs2hds50x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...etts460bks.jpg


TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Showing off another super-print with a very rare SOVEREIGN 460 back.....


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sov460p460.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sov460p460.jpg



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yab350xx25.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yab350xx25.jpg



TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Another 350/460 guy which can be found with as many as 18 different backs. I only have these 4 backs of Wiltse (pitching).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITWiltse50.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...TWiltse50b.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ov350AB460.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...v350AB460b.jpg


TED Z
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Hey Ted:

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but I'm trying! I thought that Sovereign 460 was in the middle of the pack on the "Rarity" scale. What makes the Matty rare???

Greg Z
 

Great question.

There are a total of 52 different subjects printed with the SOVEREIGN 460 backs. And, there are 3 levels of "scarcity" as follows......

1..Most rare are these 6 super-prints which are much more difficult to find with SOVEREIGN 460 back than the 46 subjects in the 460-only series.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rprints50x.jpg



2..Most available are these 12 subjects referred to as the "Exclusive 12" which are easier to find from the group of 46 subjects.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpg



3..Moderately available are the remaining 34 subjects in the 460-only series.



The info regarding the SOVEREIGN 460 ranking that you are citing is too general, as it does not account for these 3 distinct differences.

I hope this clarifies things for you.



TED Z
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Things get clarified for me regarding T206s continuously...I guess my NEXT question is WHY? Any ideas, theories as to why some Sovereigns are more difficult than others???

Or can you direct me to some I can read about same???

Much Obliged!
Greg

I'm a big fan of the 350/460 series. Here are a few.

Epdg
 

Of the 350/460's.....If you don't see it here, I need it. Hint, hint.....
:):):):)
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Attachment 195871

The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Jeff
Nice run of 350/460 series cards with EPDG's.....great display.



Here's one of my favorite 350/460 series subjects............

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...50xP460x50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sonSGCAx50.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xP460x50b.jpg



TED Z
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Hey Dean
 

Here's my CYoung / CYCLE 460......they are very similar :)
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpg


TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

The DRUM back can be found on both the 350-only series cards and certain 350/460 series cards.

Come on guys....show off your DRUM cards.


350-only series example
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psa586832c.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07e0156e.jpg
350/460 series example



TED Z
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Here are my HOFers from that series:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...50629_0002.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...50629_0003.jpg

SOVEREIGN HOFer's
 

v.... 350 Series common ....v............................................. ...................... 350/460 series HOFer's .................................................. .............v
. http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...cobjentink.jpg
....v...... Forest Green ......v.....v..................................... .................................. Apple Green .................................................. .....................v
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...cobjentink.jpg
TED Z
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Nice looking card there Ted! I sure wish I had more that were similar to yours. :)

I can't imagine there are a whole lot of these guys floating around out there.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge about this set. I do appreciate it.

The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

HAPPY July 4th

We are back from a refreshing 4-day vacation at the Jersey shore......Point Pleasant and Cape May. And, I thought we could continue this display.

If you're uncertain of your 350/460 series card, check out the display in Post #12 here. Show off your cards, especially those with esoteric backs.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...igpackt206.jpg


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...Manning50x.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nbeauty460.jpg




As is obvious, I'm partial to T206's with Green colored T-brand backs (AMERICAN BEAUTY & SOVEREIGN).


And I may add, Blue ones, too............

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0factory42.jpg..http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0factory42.jpg



TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Frank Chance is one of the guys that appears in the 150, 350-only, 350/460 and 460-only series of the T206 set.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sovp460x25.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sovp460x25.jpg
PIEDMONT 460, f42




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC35xCY460.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...5xCY46x25b.jpg




http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...cematty25x.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ematty25xb.jpg




And, I'll throw in this 1910 COUPON card just because it will invariably stir up some controversy :)

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psab007d4f.jpg.http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fc0101d.jpg





TED Z
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there
 

are some beautiful cards here:eek:

Hey Johnny V
 

You know how I love my "raw" cards. but it behooved me to get this Jennings graded. So, here it is now......only 2 graded by SGC, and this one is the highest grade.
I don't know if PSA has any of these Jennings graded.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ningsSGC60.jpg



TED Z

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Ted....
 

Great move!! I love that card and sgc only way to have it graded! well done sir....really "pops"......ab 460 are one of my favorite backs....I can not wait when you complete it....

that wiltse ab 460 is damn near impossible:eek:......some of these ab 460's are impossible to find;)

An oddball leach with a mis-struck OP and the factory 42 on top.

Pat....
 

you continue to amaze me with these:eek:

never saw an example like this:eek:

Hey Johnny V
 

Here's another one of those Sweet Cap backs that American Litho. (ALC) mis-printed the overprint.

I love this kind of stuff. For it reveals to us "T206 dudes" that ALC indeed had 350/460 series Sweet Caporal 460 Factory #30 cards printed to go. But, the anticipated transfer
of Sweet Caporal cigarette production to the Liggett & Myers plant (Durham, NC, Factory #42) due to ATC's divestiture in 1911 changed the course of events.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xWilletts.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...illetts75b.jpg




TED Z
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My favorite T206 with some "esoteric" backs......
 

HAPPY July 4th
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...lsov4lenox.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...lsov4lenox.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0factory42.jpg..http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0factory42.jpg


TED Z
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The mystique of the T206 set's 350/460 series....Show us your cards
 

Here's my Doc White cards with 350 and 460 series backs.

Besides pitching 10+ seasons for the Chicago White Sox, Doc was a Dentist.
Furthermore, he was a composer, and published at least 4 (or more) songs.
His best year was 1907 when he led the AL with 27 wins.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psc4381a8f.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1ac4d090.jpg


Hey guys,

I am fascinated with the 350/460 series cards with all their numerous front/back permutations. I think it is the most interesting series of the T206 set.

Gee, am I the only guy on this forum that appreciates the complexity of this series...... I don't think so !

So, let us see some of your favorite cards from this series. Especially those with esoteric backs (AB 460, BL 460, DRUM, red HINDU, LENOX and UZIT).


TED Z
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For Ted
 

Ted - I love the AB back as well. Here are my 460s:

Great thread Ted!
 

these are a very tuf eclectic print group :cool:

Here are my two AB 460s:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...50706_0001.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...50706_0002.jpg

Not that uncommon
 

Johnny,

As Ted points out, this particular misprint isn't that uncommon - you'll find it in various stages of offset from barely to as far as that Leach.

--
Mike

Mike....
 

I was referring to Pat's factory at top shift w the op!:)

I see a ton of the missed stamp....but pat's is the first I have seen the factory shift up top!:eek:

This thread needs more WaJos!

Great cards, guys......keep on posting them
 

Only 37 subjects from the 350/460 series are confirmed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) backs. On display here are 6 of these cards.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...beWillNich.jpg

. http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...eWillNichb.jpg



. http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...odgrass50x.jpg
. http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...dgrass50xb.jpg



TED Z
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Great cards, guys......keep on posting them
 

This 350/460 series Cobb was printed with at least 15 different T206 backs. Here's my 5. Let's see how many back variations of this Cobb we can display here, so show-off your Cobb's.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...igpackt206.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGC40x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obbbat50xb.jpg


. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0TyCobb50x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...TyCobb50xb.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ackjohnson.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...MONT460x25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atP460x25b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...OLDMILLx50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atOLDMILLb.jpg


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...tcap42ovpt.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tcap42ovpt.jpg




TED Z
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Still searching for these 4 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)

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Unusual Cobb / UZIT card......check-it-out
 

I forgot to include in my prior post this unique UZIT Cobb.


OK guys,

You may think this card is way-out......however, consider this......Cobb is actually quoted as having said...... "Baseball was like War"......therefore...... :)


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0TyCobb50x.jpg. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...xUZITx50bk.jpg




TED Z
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I'm still searching for these 4 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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C'mon Ted, that's not a real back on that Cobb. :rolleyes:

Pete fooled me with some Pirate backs last year. I'm not falling for that again. :D

Hey Sean
 

I am simply trying to make a point with that picture. Some years ago I read where Cobb considered that playing Baseball was like "War".

And as we know from American Litho (ALC) ledger documents that the T206 UZIT cards and T80 UZIT cards were printed simultaneously.
Furthermore, a T206 UZIT and a T80 UZIT were inserted in the same Cigarette pack (circa Feb 1911).

Given all this, what is the probability that an ALC printer accidently printed the Military Series (UZIT) backs on T206's ? ?

I would say that my far-fetched Cobb card....while it appears very unusual....is not really that impossible.


Some of the nicer T80 cards in my collection wit UZIT or LENOX backs.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ubjects25x.jpg


Looking forward to seeing you at the National in a few weeks.


TED Z
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I'll find your table. :)