1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo Marsans and receipt
 

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One of the better known Cuban issues is the 100 card set, Caramelo Deportivo. (Sporting Caramels). They covered the 1945-46 Cuban winter league season and include many future major leaguers and stars of the Negro Leagues. They were made to be put into an album, the fronts have a card number. The backs have the player's name and a few biographical and career details. Along with this Armando Marsans card came a receipt from the Asociacion Nacional de Peloteros Profesionales de Cuba. This receipt was given to Marsans after he paid $3 pesos for his monthly membership fee that all players were required to pay. If anyone has any Cuban cards, or things relating to Cuban cards, show them if you would like to. We don't have too many discussions about Cuban issues, players and the league, but they were/are(?) certainly an important part of the game. regards

I've handled several Caramelo de Portivo sets and I think they are pretty neat, considering they were made on poor paper stock and are really thin and fragile. Even the album is not much higher quality than newspaper stock, and given the heat and humidity in Cuba, high grade sets are hard to come by. Many near complete sets of 99 or fewer show up, but they are rarely complete due to card #73 Napoleon Reyes, which was severely short printed. That one may be worth the other 99 cards combined. I also like the team insignia cards, as they are the only ones that are in color (I assume they were made that way although they could have been hand colored after the fact).

Neat paperwork; not something you see every day. I love the Cuban issues in boxing. Here is a 1920s Romeo y Julieta Rocky Kansas (just elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame) and a 1947 Propagandas Montiel Joe Louis:

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=1511http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=1512

A handfull of Cuban HOFer cards. Actually, this brings up a question: In what category of our BST section would people likely offer Cuban (and other Latin American) cards? Tobacco? 1920's - 1940's? I've never known where to focus my search. Thanks.

BST section
 

Which BST section for Cuban material? You can always go by the dates if nothing else. Since this one, Caramelo Deportivo, was a 1940's caramel issue it could go in the 20's-40's section or the E card section. I classify them as "R-Unc" on my website for "Recent Candy and Gum- Unclassified". Hope this helps...

A couple of good books for you Cuban Baseball Fans.

Smoke: The Romance And Lore Of Cuban Baseball
and
The Pride of Havana: A History of Cuban Baseball

I think that the most significant thing about your receipt is that it is signed by Tomas De La Cruz and Salvador Hernandez, both extremely popular Cuban players.

Scott

A few of mine.

thanks
 

Thanks for that tidbit Scott. I thought it was a neat item and now it's a bit better!! And another Marsans card I really like.....

http://luckeycards.com/ptunc1923billikenmarsans.jpg

A few more

Tengo la suerte de tener estas tarjetas de Cuba en mi colección.
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http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...Dandridge1.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...Dandridge2.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Jimenez.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...ken%20Ryan.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Perez_1.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Griffin.jpg
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And some more . . .

My compliments to all the aficionados .....
 

The images are beautiful.
You caballeros are serious collectors, and I applaud you.
Kenny, I'm very impress with your collection ... Bravo!

I wish my father was around to see this display, because when I started collecting cards in the early 1980's, I didn't know these cards existed.
These are players that he would talk to me about.
In 1944, he took this 13 yo to the Polo Grounds to watch the NY Giants take on the Pirates, it was my first game.
Nap Reyes played in that game, but my father made it a point to point out the Giants pitching coach, and that's when he told me the story.
The pitching coach was an old friend of his from Cuba, and around 1932 or '33, when he pitched for the Giants he would often come by to where my father worked, it was a bakery that specialized in French Bakery, cakes, and Latino take out food ... plus a hang out for Cuban players like Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Adolfo Luque the pitcher, and Champ Kid Chocolate, the boxer.

Anyway, when I was about 1 1/2 or two, my mother brought me by, and it happen to be a day that Luque was holding court with all his Cuban companeros around him.
My introduction to Luque was an enjoyable one ... depending on who's telling the story ... my father, or mother.
As I understand it, Luque put a hand under each armpit, raised me to his eye level, at that point, my father, and all the companeros were chuckling, then, being that Adolfo was a ball player, he tossed me just a little bit in the air and caught me ... my father and all the companeros were now roaring with laughter ..... NOT my Mother .......... I must have had a surprised look on my face.
The kicker is ... I don't remember any part of it. :mad:

I wish my father was around to see these ... any more?

Awesome story!!!

Some more Latin American HOF cards:

Joe, here's a few more. If Matt Goebel decides to post, his collection will blow you away. Best,

Kenny

some more

Fantastic, Kenny Cole! I've shown all of mine. You can now tell which HOF Negro Leaguers I still need!

Kenny
 

Kenny- I think I struck a chord!! Here are a few others. And I threw in a Spanish one at bottom, for good luck. I traded out my Marsans E224 this year for a Mack, so that was probably the best Cuban related card I had..Here are a few others. I don't know much about the Cuban series' (I am not sure I did well with that apostrophe :confused:) but they look neat :) ....

http://luckeycards.com/ptunc1909cabanasx2.jpg

Very interesting thread thanks for starting it Leon and everyone else! This is what I look forward to seeing on this site cards I don't get to see. D.

Leon, I guess you did. Here are some more.

whoops, attachment problem. Here are some more

A few more HOFers

The Album
 

Here's the front and back of the album. Also the page with the Reyes #73 card.

Leon - Bet you didn't expect this Cuban Tidal Wave .....
 

Let's blame it on your quarter & penny. :)

Like Kenny said, we haven't even heard from Matt Goebel, and some of the other aficionados.
I wish this estupitdo would know how to scan, I would post my scored 1871 program of the Troy Haymakers vs the Mutuals, with Esteban Bellan, and Lipman Pike playing for the Haymakers. ... I'll blame that on your quarter, and penny also.

You guys have put up some beautiful stuff that's rarely seen on this forum.

Thank you.
Joe

Some 1946 Propagandas Montiel
 

I started collecting a few Cubans earlier this year; I now own 23 cards. I started the collection because I have a good friend who is Cuban and he collected Propagandas Montiel cards as a child before the Castro revolution tossed him and his family out of Cuba. He gets pleasure out of looking at my collection and asks if I have any new Cubans to show him whenever we get together. The cards are seldom found in good shape, but they do have a lot of American HOFers in the set. I have a pretty nice Matty (the single player), a cool Feller portrait, and a very rough Joe Dimaggio. I posted a few pictures below.

Best wishes,

Joe

Here's the Kid:

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=1519

Adam, thanks for posting Kid Chocolate .....
 

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I have a cabinet that was personalized to my father by the Kid.
That's quite an interesting site you have, I'm going to have to spend a little more time there and check it all out.
For one thing, I found the information surrounding your boxing card guide very interesting, it was bringing back some memories of my interest in boxing during the forties, and fifties - Sugar Ray, Kid Gavilan, Rocky Graziano, Cerdan, and the Brown Bomber ... I once had the pleasure of meeting Joe Louis,and having a long conversation with him ..... Gotta go back, and find out the price for your boxing card guide.
If you get another Kid Chocolate let me know.

Always good to exchange words with a landsman from the old country ... NYC. :)

Great Thread!
 

I didn't see it until now - here are a few that haven't been shown yet:

Hi Matt- hope you are well, it's been a while since we last spoke. I once auctioned a Punch Cigarros (it was the Viola that Kenny Cole showed) and as you can see it was just the card without that fancy background. But as I look at yours it appears to be a card glued to that background. Is that the way the Punch cards were issued? Interesting to see this for the first time.

Hi Barry
 

Yes I am well, I hope the same goes for you.

The Punch cards were originally issued as small photos pasted to a cardboard back with an ornate border. The cards are extremely rare in any form, but from what I know only a small handful have survived with the back intact. I'll try to attach a few more scans.

Matt

Thanks Matt, and I will be sending you a detailed email shortly.

Another interesting item
 

This is a player ID card that belonged to the great Alejandro Oms:

Awesome stuff Matt!

I agree with Adam .....
 

Matt G, I'm glad you found this thread.
Kenny was right, you must have some collection amigo.
As for Kenny, he's being modest, his collection is impressive also.
As a matter of fact, the rest of you guys put on some show with your eye poppers. ... It was like a continuance of "Can You Top This Cuban?"
I've never seen so many images on one thread ... It's beautiful.

Imagine if the Floridian Cubans would have gotten in on this.

Why is it that I feel that it isn't over yet.
We haven't heard from Ryan Christoff, and a few others.

A few more Cubans. Anybody have any other 1924 Diaz - Wash. Senators to sell or trade? Val

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...als%201913.jpg
Jacinto Calvo, 'Germany' Schaefer, Merito Acosta, Washington Nationals, ca. 1913
Found this cool photo on teh interwebs. Here is a link: http://tinyurl.com/yakp76d The picture is more stunning by a bit in its large format.
Calvo is on a couple of Zeenuts; Acosta is on a Billiken. Both are on a few other issues per vcp.com. Anybody have either to share?

Here's the Merito Acosta Billiken from 10 years later:

Here's another Acosta and a Calvo

Smile ... You're on Candid Camera .....
 

That image with Jacinto, Schaefer and Merito ... if it doesn't put a smile on your face ..... you're not breathing. :)

Thanks again guys, all I can say is that your collection deserves the protection of your home.

Joe

My only three:

1945-6 Caramelo Deportivo
 

Is it possible for the Nap Reyes card to NOT have the stamp on the front? Or would such a card be a fake?

[QUOTE=Kawika;767201]Tengo la suerte de tener estas tarjetas de Cuba en mi colección.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...D%20Minoso.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...Dandridge1.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...Dandridge2.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Jimenez.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...ken%20Ryan.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Perez_1.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...%20Griffin.jpg
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Todo es posible si no sabes lo que estás hablando.
Santo Moisés! Auténtico escasamente vestidos pingüinos neerlandés etcétera. Mas mejor no se puede conseguir!
http://ImageEvent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika Contraseña=aloha[/QU. Ay, que bueno. Ha viajado a Cuba buscar los tarjetas? Yo creo ahora es possible hacerlo.

My understanding is there are three ways to find the card. With a stamp, punches or complete. It was a redemption card for a prize so almost all were used that way. There is a thread on here with a guy who knows more about that stuff

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...caramelo+reyes

While it is possible to find one "unredeemed" that would most certainly be a red flag no matter what.

Here is my contribution Cuban through the years