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JeffPrice 03-06-2018 06:32 PM

What are the next Million dollar cards?
 
Just wanted to get everyone thoughts on next million dollar cards. After the Mantle 9 in Heritage goes for over $3.5 and surpasses the Wagner will others follow? I'll start with Ty Cobb with Cobb back highest grade.

Santo10Fan 03-06-2018 06:52 PM

Maybe not next...but eventually, 1954 Topps Aaron rookie gem mint 10, probably after he passes away. Only couple known and has always been a hot one.

jbl79 03-06-2018 07:02 PM

Possibly 1914 CJ Jackson SGC 98, 1914 Baltimore News Ruth PSA 4, and M101-5 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8

joshuanip 03-06-2018 09:10 PM

E98 Wagner BSF PSA10

Scocs 03-06-2018 09:55 PM

1988 Score Gregg Jeffries

joshuanip 03-06-2018 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scocs (Post 1754873)
1988 Score Gregg Jeffries

PSA9 or 10?

oldjudge 03-06-2018 10:08 PM

Anson in Uniform Old Judge (if one ever comes to market again)

Vintageclout 03-07-2018 06:15 AM

Million Dollar Cards
 
Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 Ď51 Bowman Mantle Rookie

packs 03-07-2018 10:06 AM

Million dollar bill relic card

SMPEP 03-07-2018 10:15 AM

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Don't know about million dollar (I know it's NOT in my collection), but this one will be Ten Million:

Rookiemonster 03-07-2018 11:33 AM

I like your style !
 
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Originally Posted by jbl79 (Post 1754815)
Possibly 1914 CJ Jackson SGC 98, 1914 Baltimore News Ruth PSA 4, and M101-5 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8

I canít agree more with this.

Also I just seen in another forum someone asking what young prospects will they buy in hopes of them making it big. I guy got roasted and banned and is still getting roasted. Nobody wants to share the secret lol. Most of these kids wonít even make the majors or be out in a few years.

glchen 03-07-2018 12:13 PM

1985 Star Michael Jordan PSA 10 (yes, I'm predicting that one day, PSA will start grading this card again)

joshuanip 03-07-2018 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen (Post 1755053)
1985 Star Michael Jordan PSA 10 (yes, I'm predicting that one day, PSA will start grading this card again)

My understanding is that they donít grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

jbl79 03-07-2018 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1754921)
Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 ‘51 Bowman Mantle Rookie

Somehow, the '51 Bowman Mantle PSA 10 slipped my mind. That definitely would be the next 7 figure card if that were ever up for sale.

Peter_Spaeth 03-07-2018 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen (Post 1755053)
1985 Star Michael Jordan PSA 10 (yes, I'm predicting that one day, PSA will start grading this card again)

If they haven't after all these years, I don't see why you think this would change? I am sure they have considered and rejected the idea multiple times.

darwinbulldog 03-07-2018 02:29 PM

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Maybe this. As you can see it was signed by Mr. Zul.

darwinbulldog 03-07-2018 02:42 PM

My real answer is the '51 Bowman Mantle. Could see it happen for the Mays as well if a PSA 10 is ever awarded.

pokerplyr80 03-07-2018 03:22 PM

Any of the key 50s and 60s RCs in a PSA 10 could hit a mil if there are only 1 or 2 available. Mantle, mays, Clements, Aaron, rose, and Ryan come to mind. The Ruth and Jackson cards mentioned in this thread make sense, as well as the nicest examples of an e90-1 or t210 Jackson.

glchen 03-07-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip (Post 1755109)
My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1755124)
If they haven't after all these years, I don't see why you think this would change? I am sure they have considered and rejected the idea multiple times.


I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)

joshuanip 03-07-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen (Post 1755188)
I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)


I donít think it was a myth. This was the reason the PSA gal told me when I submitted star cards to be slabbed.

orly57 03-07-2018 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SMPEP (Post 1754985)
Don't know about million dollar (I know it's NOT in my collection), but this one will be Ten Million:

Dean's is selling it. If it isn't selling for ten million now, it never will be.

griffon512 03-07-2018 05:43 PM

Re: Michael Jordan 1984-1985 Star Cards
 
Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/

ls7plus 03-07-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintageclout (Post 1754921)
Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 Ď51 Bowman Mantle Rookie

The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is almost certainly already there as we speak, should one change hands. The asking price for what was probably the very worst of the 11 or so in existence was $700,000 several years ago. As I stated in a thread some time ago, it is my pick for the first 8-figure card.

Best wishes,

Larry

ls7plus 03-07-2018 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip (Post 1755109)
My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

Peter_Spaeth 03-07-2018 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1755243)
That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

How were you able to observe that?

Peter_Spaeth 03-07-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by griffon512 (Post 1755237)
Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/

There is a site called Basketball Gold with excellent info on Star and some of the controversy.

Peter_Spaeth 03-07-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1755243)
That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

Multiple people have told me the reason PSA stopped grading is not that new ones were being run off printing plates, but that they had inadvertently graded some "Type II" cards -- preproduction samples never intended for distribution -- and were concerned they could not tell the difference.

puckpaul 03-07-2018 08:47 PM

Honus Wagner Copper Plate rookie, if they finally can grade it...

Fred 03-07-2018 10:53 PM

A PSA_10.5 or PSA_11 52T Mantle Rookie The card would exceed all PSA standards and be dubbed the 10.5 or 11..... call it the pack fresh, straight out of the box, undeniably MINTIEST card ever touched by PSA (and submitted by a key submitter that knows Joe personally). :cool::eek::p

MattyC 03-08-2018 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1755243)
That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.

ronniehatesjazz 03-08-2018 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Scocs (Post 1754873)
1988 Score Gregg Jeffries

Would have to be autographed, preferably with stats.

Peter_Spaeth 03-08-2018 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC (Post 1755365)
Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.

How many 101s has Beckett slabbed?

MattyC 03-08-2018 10:21 AM

664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.

philliesphan 03-08-2018 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1755239)
The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is almost certainly already there as we speak, should one change hands. The asking price for what was probably the very worst of the 11 or so in existence was $700,000 several years ago. As I stated in a thread some time ago, it is my pick for the first 8-figure card.

Best wishes,

Larry

Larry - perhaps. But as I understand it, there is more than one collector who owns more than one BN Ruth. Put differently, I think it's equally (if not more) likely that other than that singular example that has floated around, any others that come to market may come in a pair of examples. I'm not sure if two BN Ruths came to market in a relatively short time frame (<18 months) that they would both fetch seven figure price tags.

Peter_Spaeth 03-08-2018 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC (Post 1755424)
664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.

Hard to believe there are 14000 if only 600 are graded.

MattyC 03-08-2018 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1755434)
Hard to believe there are 14000 if only 600 are graded.

My thinking exactly, Peter. No way.

ls7plus 03-08-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by philliesphan (Post 1755430)
Larry - perhaps. But as I understand it, there is more than one collector who owns more than one BN Ruth. Put differently, I think it's equally (if not more) likely that other than that singular example that has floated around, any others that come to market may come in a pair of examples. I'm not sure if two BN Ruths came to market in a relatively short time frame (<18 months) that they would both fetch seven figure price tags.

The worst example went from $150,000 to $450,000 to an asking price of about $700,000 about three years ago, all in the span of less than a decade. That's appreciation at a level of around 18% or better, compounded annually. Given the ultra-rarity of the card and its' immense significance, I have no doubt whatsoever that in a prime-time auction, an example would presently sell at seven-figures. The best one (VG+?) could easily vie with one of the PSA "10" '52 Topps Mantles for the first 8-figure card.

Best regards,

Larry

packs 03-08-2018 04:22 PM

PSA 10 Valenzuela rookie. As far as I know one doesn't exist.

Baseball Rarities 03-08-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1755513)
The worst example went from $150,000 to $450,000 to an asking price of about $700,000 about three years ago, all in the span of less than a decade.

IMHO, I think that you are referring to the red PSA 1 example. There is actually an even lower condition example, but I do not think that it is graded. It has such bad back damage that part the card is actually missing. Otherwise, it is a very nice looking example. Too bad the original owner was not more careful in pulling it out of an album.

Leon 03-12-2018 01:22 PM

1914 Baltimore News Ruth
 
Have always loved the prookie Ruth...If a nice one hit the market I could easily see it hitting a million. (especially since it's not my money!!)

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 1755540)
IMHO, I think that you are referring to the red PSA 1 example. There is actually an even lower condition example, but I do not think that it is graded. It has such bad back damage that part the card is actually missing. Otherwise, it is a very nice looking example. Too bad the original owner was not more careful in pulling it out of an album.


Yoda 03-12-2018 02:10 PM

A high grade E90-1 Joe Jackson. Wish I had one.

SMPEP 03-12-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1755515)
PSA 10 Valenzuela rookie. As far as I know one doesn't exist.

Anyone who would pay a million for a PSA 10 Valenzuela rookie (in today's dollars) is clinically insane.

Now a PSA 10 VENEZUELAN rookie of Nolan Ryan ... okay, that I might believe.

100backstroke 03-12-2018 04:18 PM

It does not appear that PSA has slabbed a "MINT 9" T206 Cobb, green. If they do, perhaps a shot at $1. Million. Looks like there are 6 Walter Johnson portraits in 9 grade, only 1 Matty in 9 grade.

Leon 03-13-2018 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke (Post 1756878)
It does not appear that PSA has slabbed a "MINT 9" T206 Cobb, green. If they do, perhaps a shot at $1. Million. Looks like there are 6 Walter Johnson portraits in 9 grade, only 1 Matty in 9 grade.

I don't think either of those, even in a 9, get to a million dollars. That said, the registry addiction is pretty strong to some.

MattyC 03-13-2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 1756824)
A high grade E90-1 Joe Jackson. Wish I had one.

Agreed. I think the last 8 to hit the block came pretty close.

Maybe a high grade T210 Shoeless.

Perhaps 2019 will see a big card of his hit the auction circuit.

JeffPrice 03-15-2018 12:17 PM

I can see one of the PSA 10 1953 Topps Mantles pushing a million soon.

MattyC 03-15-2018 01:02 PM

Good call— in fact It already broke that in private sale.

Peter_Spaeth 03-15-2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC (Post 1757760)
Good calló in fact It already broke that in private sale.

A bump can sure create a lot of value...

MattyC 03-16-2018 01:14 AM

Having held it raw before it was initially put in the 9-slab, I certainly felt it was deserving of the 10 grade. After all, the difference between a strong 9 and 10 is so hard for us to distinguish. The card was so impressive, a real thing of beauty and tickles the imagination to think how it journeyed through time. It was never going to be sold in the initial 9-slab, as both gents involved knew it was a gem mint card. The bump in effect didn't really change the value in the case of that sale, as they knew what the card was and had pretty much agreed on the price tag before it wound up in its final resting holder.

I thankfully had the pleasure of seeing the original collection from which it came. Meticulously built sets in binder after binder. Really special to behold.

brian1961 03-16-2018 12:16 PM

Thanks for sharing your story and insights, MattyC. I agree on the assessed value of this faultless, amazing Mantle. Glad it got bumped to a 10, when it was in fact too strong of a 9 not to be assessed the ultimate grade.

I know the owner of what he's coined, "The Maltese Falcon of Baseball Cards", feels doubly so.;) It's the 1953 Stahl-Meyer Franks Mickey Mantle in PSA 9 MINT condition. Unique, 1 of 1. THE perfect portrait of Mickey.
Furthermore, The Maltese Falcon Mickey Mantle is almost perfectly centered.

With the sheer value of all the cards in an older Topps set, and the time it requires to build a given set, it has ever so slowly made the PSA Set Registry irrelevant. Mind you, I am strictly referring to an older Topps set painstakingly built to PSA 8-10 standard. The buyers with the boo coo like exclusivity, and they enjoy impressing. It's better ( "better" as in the way of exercising more fiduciary responsibility to themselves, and more gratifying) to concentrate on a key game-face player, or an array of HOF rookie cards. In my experience, a suite of "the favored few" tends to make a more compelling display. A collection of prized pieces, so to speak, rather than a set of hundreds and hundreds of commons, several dozen stars and a dozen major stars. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

-----Brian Powell


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