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tedzan 12-09-2013 11:49 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
Circa 1910-1915

It was taboo to depict American women smoking in the early part of the 20th Century. So, ATC produced this subliminal
advertisement showing a gal of middle-Eastern appearance and dress with a pack of cigarettes.
Furthermore, the effect of the repeated (diminishing) image was a clever advertising feature which was novel in that era.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DgalAdv75x.jpg



TED Z
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Bugsy 12-09-2013 11:53 AM

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Whiskey :D

Leon 12-09-2013 12:10 PM

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another enjoyable subject and collecting niche....

ullmandds 12-09-2013 12:25 PM

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...s/f63141f0.jpg

Jacklitsch 12-09-2013 12:47 PM

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...anuary1915.jpg

packs 12-09-2013 12:53 PM

The colors on that Turkey Red piece are awesome!

slidekellyslide 12-09-2013 12:58 PM

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6.5" x 4.25" cabinet photo

bobfreedman 12-09-2013 01:38 PM

Cy Young
 
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Tobacco tin in fantastic condition

bbpostcards 12-09-2013 01:43 PM

Obak
 
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Here's one.

ErikV 12-09-2013 02:12 PM

Re: Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
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There's not much in the way of Philadelphia Caramel advertisements.

This ad was featured in the May 1910 issue of the Confectioners Journal.

ErikV

rsst206 12-09-2013 02:25 PM

colgans signe
 
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I just picked up this cool sign to go with my colgan collection.

canjond 12-09-2013 02:44 PM

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...%20Packs/1.jpghttp://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...%20Packs/2.jpg

canjond 12-09-2013 02:45 PM

DISCLAIMER: NOT MINE (although I wish it was)!

Probably the ultimate in advertising:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...ertisement.jpg

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 03:05 PM

While a neat item I don’t believe those Turkish Trophies items were ever issued with baseball subjects and are later fantasy creations made by dealers or collectors put on non-sports displays. I have never seen one with baseball players that looks right.

In the above example you can clearly see where another leather was removed and a different shaped leather was put in its place, also the T3 replaced Hamilton King girl cabinets and most likely the S81 was added to replace a flag silk. I’ve had a few long discussions with long time hobby dealers and all have agreed or said the same thing…that these are most likely not original period as issued items.

Cheers,

John

Bugsy 12-09-2013 03:10 PM

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A Fan-Taz soda sign

canjond 12-09-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1215387)
While a neat item I don’t believe those Turkish Trophies items were ever issued with baseball subjects and are later fantasy creations made by dealers or collectors put on non-sports displays. I have never seen one with baseball players that looks right.

In the above example you can clearly see where another leather was removed and a different shaped leather was put in its place, also the T3 replaced Hamilton King girl cabinets and most likely the S81 was added to replace a flag silk. I’ve had a few long discussions with long time hobby dealers and all have agreed or said the same thing…that these are most likely not original period as issued items.

Cheers,

John

John-

Interesting point, and I clearly see what you are referring to.

- Jon

sb1 12-09-2013 03:50 PM

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A pair of Ramly Notepads, the one on the left predates the baseball cards.

tedzan 12-09-2013 04:01 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...southlgers.jpg



TED Z

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SHECKARD (glove)

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 04:16 PM

Jon, Here is mine that I bought from a fellow collector.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...e/turkish1.jpg

I really think these baseball ones were either found empty due to time and damage and baseball issues were added in the thought that they may have been issued like that. Or they were found and the Non-Sports items were removed and baseball added in an order to make the item more valuable.

Another interesting note is on all of these that I have seen the cabinet card items (T7-6’s) are not production T7’s they are a thin piece of the T7 art placed on a thicker piece of paper sort a mock version of the later production T7’s.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn.../turkish13.jpg

My guess and this is purely an educated guess is that when these store display pieces were created they had not begun production of the T7-6’s (Bathing & Athletic Girls). All that I have seen that seem to be period feature T7-6 images. These if you follow the redemption coupons were issued around 1913 well after T3’s. So think these store displays were towards the tail end after T3’s etc.

I really think that all you are buying when it comes to these baseball versions are fantasy pieces and one should value them as a destroyed non-sport piece with glued S81, T3 and L1’s attached so the total value should be that nothing more. I also think Legendary did a really crappy job of calling this item out as vintage last I checked they weren’t using clear plastic corner mounts in the 1900’s at the very least they didn’t even mention that.

Cheers,

John

GasHouseGang 12-09-2013 05:16 PM

Always liked this photo for the advertising.
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/.../SmokeShop.jpg

ullmandds 12-09-2013 05:23 PM

david...that's a cool photo.

question?

does a period photo exist depicting a t206...or other t,d,e,n,m card right after it was pulled from it's original package?

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 05:27 PM

Good question Peter. I have seen a photo that sold on eBay quite sometime ago. It was of a Bar that sold smokes and there was a person in the picture sweeping up and there were a pile of t-cards baseball etc. in front of the broom. Simply put folks tossed the cards on the floor. Sadly I didn't save an image I think Dan McKee has an image....

John

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 05:29 PM

Goodwins Champions Banner (G20)
 
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ge/Ginter1.jpg

ullmandds 12-09-2013 05:46 PM

John...that poster is disgusting!!!!!

That photo sounds way cool...would love to see a copy of that!!!

3-2-count 12-09-2013 06:15 PM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...psbe322f4a.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...psed322c24.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps1203d621.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps5b9caad8.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95.../hassan2-1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps7daa0a03.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...e/DSC03687.JPG

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...y/DSC02953.jpg

ullmandds 12-09-2013 06:21 PM

Beauties, Tony.

joeadcock 12-09-2013 06:27 PM

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3-2-count 12-09-2013 06:47 PM

Thanks Pete. A few more smalls.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps3a3cda94.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps6266048b.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...tny/pbpak1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...y/DSC02219.jpg

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 06:53 PM

N127
 
Great stuff Tony!

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/Sea%20.jpg

3-2-count 12-09-2013 06:58 PM

Thanks John. Your Sea Captains piece just GLOWS!! I really dig that!!

E93 12-09-2013 07:11 PM

Tony,
Love the Piedmont wood box with packs and EPDG!

John,
That Allen and Ginter poster is awful. Get rid of it immediately! PM sent with my mailing address. :)
JimB

wonkaticket 12-09-2013 07:15 PM

American Beauty & American Indians (G1)
 
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...t/large/AB.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/Indian.jpg

Cheers,

John

gregr2 12-09-2013 07:15 PM

Those Polar Bear Tobacco boxes are great! I need one of those!

John V 12-09-2013 07:35 PM

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Some more Piedmont.

jerrys 12-09-2013 08:16 PM

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wonkaticket 12-09-2013 08:33 PM

Jerry those are great!

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...arge/Opera.jpg

jerrys 12-09-2013 09:08 PM

A few more
 
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gregr2 12-09-2013 09:09 PM

Great stuff!

Jantz 12-09-2013 09:16 PM

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Wow!

Nice pieces everyone!

T3s 12-09-2013 09:33 PM

Old Mill Storefront
 
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Care of the Utah State Historical Society website

T3s 12-09-2013 09:36 PM

Turkey Red stuff
 
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A few Turkey Red related items

joeadcock 12-09-2013 09:44 PM

Craig

Cool store fronts, especially El Princepe De Galles.

sb1 12-10-2013 06:36 AM

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One of two known Ramly store display pieces. Another board member owns the other.

barrysloate 12-10-2013 07:11 AM

Scott- that 1909 Ramly photo used to belong to Richard Merkin. Strangely, he had it hanging in his kitchen. I used to see it when I visited.

tedzan 12-10-2013 09:15 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...z/aadvepdg.jpg

....http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg. . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg. . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg. . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGbkx25x.jpg



TED Z

E93 12-10-2013 12:10 PM

Jerry,
That Yum Yum piece is incredible!
JimB

D. Broughman 12-10-2013 01:51 PM

Yocum Brothers Cigars
 
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12"by32"

sb1 12-10-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1215606)
Scott- that 1909 Ramly photo used to belong to Richard Merkin. Strangely, he had it hanging in his kitchen. I used to see it when I visited.

Barry,

Very nice to know a bit of provenance on it. Thanks very much. Unfortunately now it does not see the light of day, probably better for it in the long run.

Scott

wonkaticket 12-10-2013 03:53 PM

Such a cool item Scott!

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ge/Pirates.jpg

leftygrove10 12-10-2013 06:19 PM

Lefty Grove...
 
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Granger Ad of Lefty Grove....

leftygrove10 12-10-2013 06:21 PM

Lefty Grove #2....
 
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Lucky Strike Ad of Lefty Grove..... (Happy to have it, but it needs to be upgraded.... LOL)

conor912 12-10-2013 11:50 PM

Some pretty amazing pieces in this thread. Does anyone know if there's a centralized place that would have even some rough pricing info on items like these? I could see it being all over the map, too.

wolf441 12-11-2013 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1215756)

Great item John! My son is fascinated by pirates (not sure if that's a good thing :)). I've picked up a few of these cards for him. My way of justifying card collecting as a "family project" to the wife!!

wonkaticket 12-11-2013 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf441 (Post 1215943)
Great item John! My son is fascinated by pirates (not sure if that's a good thing :)). I've picked up a few of these cards for him. My way of justifying card collecting as a "family project" to the wife!!

Arghhhh thanks Steve. :)

That's a great way BTW to get someone into collecting if he's into Pirates embrace it with cards, FYI there are also some very reasonable UK tobacco sets that have pirates too.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Just make sure it won't turn to Pittsburgh Pirates there's one card that can be kind of $$$$. :)

3-2-count 12-11-2013 06:29 AM

Agreed, that Virginia Brights Pirates piece is amazing John. To keep the Virginia Brights theme going these two large advertising pieces (8"x13") were more than likely displayed in a general store to market Allen & Ginter Richmond Cigarettes. A couple wonderful cigarette making gals!! (CJ in pic used only to give you an idea of actual size)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps44f65198.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps1087c1da.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95...ps87bcab44.jpg

These similar poses are found on N46's which I have one.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...hts%20card.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...%20pic%202.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...%20Box%201.JPG

wolf441 12-11-2013 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1215944)
Arghhhh thanks Steve. :)

That's a great way BTW to get someone into collecting if he's into Pirates embrace it with cards, FYI there are also some very reasonable UK tobacco sets that have pirates too.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Just make sure it won't turn to Pittsburgh Pirates there's one card that can be kind of $$$$. :)

Thanks John!

I'll check out the UK pirate tobacco cards. I've also picked up a Pirates brand back with a Chinese warrior on the front for him. That's about the closest I'll come to owning a T215:D!!

And I've floated the idea of a Honus "Pirate" as a nice "cross collecting" piece for him. Quickly received the Heisman from my wife on that one!! :D

wonkaticket 12-11-2013 06:52 AM

Ahh yes T215s not a cheap one either. :)

Tony great Ginter stuff love it!

More Ginter goodness....
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/Birds1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...arge/Naval.jpg

Leon 12-11-2013 07:21 AM

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a few counter displays.....

3-2-count 12-11-2013 07:46 AM

When purchased originally I thought this was a Piedmont counter display used for single cigarette sales, but after looking at it closer I believe it to be a counter ashtray.
Note the strike marks on the side a match would have left. Well loved, but cool none the less.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...shtraynum1.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...shtraynum3.JPG

David Halpen 12-11-2013 08:00 AM

Great items. Here are some Cracker Jack ad pieces from the 1914/15 era.

Cracker Jack posters.

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...ze/cjstore.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...ize/img116.jpg

Trolley Sign

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...e/DSC03661.JPG

Everybody loves Cracker Jack - from children to soldiers

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...rackerjack.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...ze/cj4cwcj.jpg

tedzan 12-11-2013 08:06 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
This TUXEDO advertisement Circa 1912-13 is dated by the stated fact that Heine Zimmerman was the 1912 NL Batting Champion (BA = .372)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...GJenn50x_1.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ajoie50x_1.jpg




TUXEDO tobacco tin......circa 1920

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...accoTin75x.jpg



TED Z

3-2-count 12-11-2013 08:19 AM

[QUOTE=David Halpen;1215979]Great items. Here are some Cracker Jack ad pieces from the 1914/15 era.

Trolley Sign

http://photos.imageevent.com/halpen/...e/DSC03661.JPG


David that Cracker Jack trolley sign is simply incredible!!

DerekMichael 12-11-2013 10:01 AM

"wholesome and nutritious" :p

wonkaticket 12-11-2013 11:00 AM

A few more W. Duke, Sons & Co. items.

Letter to dealer most likely referencing the N150/N151's....

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/img143.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ize/img144.jpg

N150 Display

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/Honest.jpg

kdixon 12-11-2013 05:18 PM

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Mail Pouch Zack Wheat.

tedzan 12-12-2013 09:12 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
1871 Troy Haymakers advertisements, player photo & scorecard


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...makersyork.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erflynnb_1.jpg



TED Z

joeadcock 12-12-2013 10:07 AM

Ted
Outstanding piece

tedzan 12-12-2013 05:00 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...hesterfieldAdv




T-Rex TED

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LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)

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tedzan 12-12-2013 07:15 PM

Joeadcock
 
I appreciate your compliment.

Thanks,

TED Z

tedzan 12-14-2013 06:59 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 
Wonka

Excellent pieces....thanks for sharing them with us.


TED Z

tedzan 12-14-2013 07:07 AM

GOODWIN CHAMPIONS album and Coupon premiums
 
Circa 1888-1889
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...a36coupons.jpg

Album cover and pages 1 & 2 of 12
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...36%20cover.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mpions%202.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mpions%203.jpg


TED Z
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
.

steve B 12-14-2013 02:09 PM

Some beautiful stuff!

I don't have much, my wife is very anti-tobacco with good reason so I can't really buy big ad pieces even if I could afford them.

Tradecards and miscellaneous ads are ok though. I just can't display them.
I haven't gone through the old magazines as much as I'd like.

Steve B

tradecard - trimmed but still nice.
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=6575

Ad on the back cover of a magazine.
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=5664

Tao_Moko 12-14-2013 02:23 PM

Nice Piedmont Logo
 
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Wish I could figure out who J.D. Miller was. The "D" ruins the most likely from that era.

JollyRoger 12-14-2013 05:54 PM

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Salesman's sample...

kdixon 12-15-2013 09:32 AM

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Bambino Candy Box by Curtiss Candy and Cracker Jack Bears Postcard.

1880nonsports 12-15-2013 01:57 PM

Just a thought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyRoger (Post 1217254)
Salesman's sample...

I would suggest that what you have is the top from a carton. Such boxes are hard to find.

No guarantees whether written or implied.

wasickjj 12-15-2013 04:04 PM

EPDG Advertising
 
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I was told these were circa 1905-1910 but I have no way to verify.

tedzan 12-16-2013 05:59 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, etc. advertisement pieces
 



Some really great advertising stuff in this thread; and, especially some beautiful El Principe de Gales adv. I'll follow these with 10 of my EPDG T206's.

Furthermore, I've wondered why this T-brand was not carried over to subsequent issues (T205, T207, etc.) ?

Does anyone on this forum have any idea(s) why this is ? ?
I'd really love to hear them.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gEPDGsgc60.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGsgc60b.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...zEPDGsgc60.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...MurLorEPDG.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rLorEPDGxb.jpg



TED Z
__________________________________________________ __________________________________
LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
.

steve B 12-16-2013 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1217790)
Some really great advertising stuff in this thread; and, especially some beautiful El Principe de Gales adv. I'll follow these with 10 of my EPDG T206's.

Furthermore, I've wondered why this T-brand was not carried over to subsequent issues (T205, T207, etc.) ?

Does anyone on this forum have any idea(s) why this is ? ?
I'd really love to hear them.



.

It's difficult to tell for sure from the ads, but I believe they're meant to portray the eventual King George V who became prince of wales on 9 November 1901. Edward VII wanted to prepare him to be king, a preparation Queen Victoria hadn't given Edward.

Once George became king on May 6, 1910 the pun and imagery lost a bit. Especially since the title is not hereditary and the eventual Edward VIII didn't become prince of Wales until 23 June 1911. He also wasn't as popular as George, and much thinner. So holding over a brand based on a pun that no longer made any sense also made little sense.

Just a theory of course.

Steve B

RGold 12-16-2013 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1217848)
It's difficult to tell for sure from the ads, but I believe they're meant to portray the eventual King George V who became prince of wales on 9 November 1901. Edward VII wanted to prepare him to be king, a preparation Queen Victoria hadn't given Edward.

Once George became king on May 6, 1910 the pun and imagery lost a bit. Especially since the title is not hereditary and the eventual Edward VIII didn't become prince of Wales until 23 June 1911. He also wasn't as popular as George, and much thinner. So holding over a brand based on a pun that no longer made any sense also made little sense.

Just a theory of course.

Steve B

Close, but no cigar. :D:D:D

El Principe de Gales was the Prince of Wales and future King Edward VII. He was granted the title in 1841 as heir apparent to Queen Victoria, and did not become King until 1901.

He was known internationally as the Playboy Prince, and the perfect representative for a cigar brand since he was also known to be a heavy smoker.

The brand name El Principe de Gales had been in use since the 1850's, pre-dating the future King George V who did not become Prince of Wales until 1901.

Upon King Edward's death in 1910, King George assumed the throne, and the brand name most likely lost its meaning as you theorized.


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