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Throttlesteer 01-13-2019 11:30 PM
PWCC results
 
Did anyone manage to score anything good? There were a few bargains and the usual T206 portrait insanity.

DeanH3 01-13-2019 11:32 PM
I tried, but whiffed.

tmw2ward 01-13-2019 11:43 PM
I bid on 10 cards....and I won 0

Steve D 01-14-2019 12:33 AM
I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve

Stampsfan 01-14-2019 12:39 AM
Is it just me, or are prices insane?

$17,322 for a Matty Portrait PSA 6.5

$13,099 for a Cobb Green SGC 4

$16,158 for a Cobb Red SGC 6.5

Or is this normal?

Sean 01-14-2019 01:58 AM
Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.

Bored5000 01-14-2019 02:40 AM
I know the Jackie Robinson Bond Bread portrait keeps going up and up, but yikes at $3,250 for a PSA 2.

trambo 01-14-2019 03:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 1845136)
I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve
Nice work! I went 2-6 on the t205s. Both upgrades as I keep working to improve the set! Was hoping to fare a little better but the losses went for silly pricing.

eliotdeutsch 01-14-2019 04:06 AM
Anyone here pick up the t205 Evers? Perhaps it was an upgrade and you have an old one to sell?

BruceinGa 01-14-2019 05:58 AM
I won the Persons and Westlake :D but lost out on three others.

Yastrzemski Sports 01-14-2019 06:15 AM
Last month a Young portrait 4 sold for 3200. This month another sells for 8900. That’s a nice return.

pitchernut 01-14-2019 06:17 AM
1 for 2... Love me auctions that end when it's posted to end:D

Rhotchkiss 01-14-2019 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845138)
Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.
Sean, you mind emailing me who that was? As you know, I was the underbidder on the Cobb and $1500 off the Matty. I am sure I have several/numerous cards this guy may be interested in....

Throttlesteer 01-14-2019 07:51 AM
I managed to get the E92 Cy Young SGC 5. At $1528, it seemed like a steal considering some of the other prices.

PowderedH2O 01-14-2019 07:56 AM
Not so long ago, I thought it was possible for a person with a moderate income to complete the T206 monster minus the big 3 in decent mid grade condition. It has now reached the point where that is not possible. Anyone with less than $25k a year of disposable income is now reduced to subsets or poor condition cards, unless they already have a huge start.

alywa 01-14-2019 08:10 AM
I was very pleased with a pickup of a PSA 2.5 Lajoie with bat... well under comparable prices.

Touch'EmAll 01-14-2019 08:28 AM
I bid on 3 card, were solid bids or so I thought. Got none. Like I said in the collecting focus thread, my recent focus has been outbid notices.

MichelaiTorres83 01-14-2019 08:50 AM
The Young card was not nice enough to warrant the price. The last one was. I am so glad I picked mine up at the national this year.

The green cobb is still a buy in my opinion. I think it is setting precidence for the other big time HOF portraits. It seems demand is through the roof. You can’t give money away in this country right now. It is so hard to find workers let alone quality workers.

ullmandds 01-14-2019 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83 (Post 1845201)
The Young card was not nice enough to warrant the price. The last one was. I am so glad I picked mine up at the national this year.

The green cobb is still a buy in my opinion. I think it is setting precidence for the other big time HOF portraits. It seems demand is through the roof. You can’t give money away in this country right now. It is so hard to find workers let alone quality workers.
Uhhhhh...what?

MichelaiTorres83 01-14-2019 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1845204)
Uhhhhh...what?
What? Maybe I did not connect the dots there properly.

Everyone is busy and jacking up the prices to get work done. Sometimes by double and triple what it cost last year.

There are a lot of people right now making a lot of extra disposible income. I am not sure where you live but when I call 30 electricians and when I get 1 phone call back for an estimate on a multi thousand dollar job and it is priced at 300 an hour, that tells me something.

I can not get a paver to call me back, a tree guy, a plumber and the list goes on. Like I said, I can not give my money away.

Peter_Spaeth 01-14-2019 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1845162)
Last month a Young portrait 4 sold for 3200. This month another sells for 8900. That’s a nice return.
I think only two bidders participated over 3500. One with 10 feedback, one with all PWCC activity. So it goes.

PiratesWS1979 01-14-2019 09:10 AM
mm

HawkFan70 01-14-2019 09:38 AM
First time using Gavelsnipe. I went 0-4 but really didn't come very close to getting any of the bids. Looks like I need to sharpen my pencil a bit.

Snapolit1 01-14-2019 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1845206)
I think only two bidders participated over 3500. One with 10 feedback, one with all PWCC activity. So it goes.
PWCC is cannibalizing a lot of the competition. Who else on ebay regularly sells high end (pardon the pun) Goudeys and the like? I don't see much besides them. Some of the other usual sources (Probstein), but a lot of his stuff is not auction format.

Noting that bidders of certain types of cards are constantly or exclusively going to PWCC these days hardly surprises me.

t206fanatic 01-14-2019 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845138)
Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.
I was the underbidder on the Donlin, that card is gorgeous congrats.

Throttlesteer 01-14-2019 09:54 AM
I'll take some money if you're handing it out. I'll need it to afford one of those portraits

Tennis13 01-14-2019 10:10 AM
I always watch the Gehrig stuff—-maybe not as close as another board member— and I was surprised the 1933 Goudey went so high. Big spread between it and the 1934 Goudey listed on ebay. I had no idea it would trade so high.

mechanicalman 01-14-2019 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tennis13 (Post 1845226)
I always watch the Gehrig stuff—-maybe not as close as another board member— and I was surprised the 1933 Goudey went so high. Big spread between it and the 1934 Goudey listed on ebay. I had no idea it would trade so high.
Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."

Tennis13 01-14-2019 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845232)
Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."

Yes, that one. It seems that card only comes in 8+ or 4-.....not too much in between. The 1934 I see on ebay has been up forever at $25k or best offer.

JohnnyFinance7 01-14-2019 11:02 AM
PWCC results
 
I was able to land a 1934 Goudey Gehrig in a PSA 4. Very excited as I thought it was well centered and the colors looked nice.

bobbyw8469 01-14-2019 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1845218)
PWCC is cannibalizing a lot of the competition. Who else on ebay regularly sells high end (pardon the pun) Goudeys and the like? I don't see much besides them. Some of the other usual sources (Probstein), but a lot of his stuff is not auction format.

Noting that bidders of certain types of cards are constantly or exclusively going to PWCC these days hardly surprises me.
I think that has to do with the shunning of any other seller whose name is NOT PWCC or Probstein. Like you said, even Probstein gave up the auctions. With all other sellers being basically ignored, it is not cost effective to sell those items yourself.

Peter_Spaeth 01-14-2019 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83 (Post 1845205)
What? Maybe I did not connect the dots there properly.

Everyone is busy and jacking up the prices to get work done. Sometimes by double and triple what it cost last year.

There are a lot of people right now making a lot of extra disposible income. I am not sure where you live but when I call 30 electricians and when I get 1 phone call back for an estimate on a multi thousand dollar job and it is priced at 300 an hour, that tells me something.

I can not get a paver to call me back, a tree guy, a plumber and the list goes on. Like I said, I can not give my money away.
In my area the demand for plumbers and electricians seems to outstrip the supply, it's very difficult to find one who will come any time soon or charge a reasonable fee.

Sean 01-14-2019 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 1845180)
Sean, you mind emailing me who that was? As you know, I was the underbidder on the Cobb and $1500 off the Matty. I am sure I have several/numerous cards this guy may be interested in....
I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.

Sean 01-14-2019 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by t206fanatic (Post 1845221)
I was the underbidder on the Donlin, that card is gorgeous congrats.
Hi Jeff, and thanks. I've been looking for a high grade Donlin fielding for about six years, and I always got outbid until last night. It's a really tough card in high grade.

Rhotchkiss 01-14-2019 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845267)
I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.
Gotcha. I looked at the bidders as the auctions neared a closing and was satisfied that the bidders were legit/the cards had not been shilled. I do think these were real sales.

Sean 01-14-2019 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845267)
I don't know who it is. I noticed that it was the same person, and that he only had a feedback score of 86, so he's either fairly new or he doesn't buy much on ebay.
And as Peter mentioned, he has 100% of his bids with PWCC. But no retractions. I agree that these were legitimate bids.

Peter_Spaeth 01-14-2019 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1845253)
I think that has to do with the shunning of any other seller whose name is NOT PWCC or Probstein. Like you said, even Probstein gave up the auctions. With all other sellers being basically ignored, it is not cost effective to sell those items yourself.
That's just not true that all other sellers are being shunned/ignored. I see guys doing just fine with nice cards every day. Perhaps they aren't bringing in world records with the stickered stuff, but otherwise...

bounce 01-14-2019 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1845301)
That's just not true that all other sellers are being shunned/ignored. I see guys doing just fine with nice cards every day. Perhaps they aren't bringing in world records with the stickered stuff, but otherwise...
Related to this on the stickers, and as someone else already noted, that Young Portrait 4 while nice isn't worth that in my opinion.

From the description - "Shows like a '5' in every way we know to view a T206." - Well, 5s were $3800 cards until Dec-2018 when a 5 PQ became a $10k card. Except this one is actually a 4, not a 5. Four rounded corners, slightly off center to the left = certified high end?

Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?

Seems I don't actually understand what these designations actually mean anymore. Seems to me it's just a "prop" used for nice looking cards that has become it's own "thing". We've beaten that discussion to death already, but I guess you can't disagree with the auction results of those stickers.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845138)
I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.
I had bid on all the higher grade dark and white caps, but ultimately backed off on all. This was a great looking card, certainly a good price compared to prior two sales over $5k each.


I bid on 70 cards, won zero. Was underbidder on one - the 1928 Star Candy Ted Lyons authentic.

Looking forward to round two of basically just watching TV tonight.

Peter_Spaeth 01-14-2019 04:50 PM
The stickers are, IMO, pure PT Barnum.

PiratesWS1979 01-14-2019 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bounce (Post 1845344)
Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?
Don't forget the two dark spots on the sleeve. Nice card but for the money it has to have a clean image.

bounce 01-14-2019 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979 (Post 1845368)
Don't forget the two dark spots on the sleeve. Nice card but for the money it has to have a clean image.
They pointed those out, but I take your point if you mean this "contribution" to not necessarily living up to the sticker.

All of it together is why I dropped out before the final bidding. It's nice, but it's not nice enough to justify that price for me.

mechanicalman 01-14-2019 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bounce (Post 1845344)
Related to this on the stickers, and as someone else already noted, that Young Portrait 4 while nice isn't worth that in my opinion.

From the description - "Shows like a '5' in every way we know to view a T206." - Well, 5s were $3800 cards until Dec-2018 when a 5 PQ became a $10k card. Except this one is actually a 4, not a 5. Four rounded corners, slightly off center to the left = certified high end?

Another example, at least of some description "flowering", the Cobb bat off 4.5. "...four mostly sharp corners...wear to the extreme corner tips...". I would ask that you look again, maybe top left is sorta "mostly sharp" (not really), but the other three are definitely touched with bottom right having a fold (?) and bottom left absolutely rounded. Rounded and sharp do not appear as synonyms anywhere I can locate. Still equals certified high end?

Seems I don't actually understand what these designations actually mean anymore. Seems to me it's just a "prop" used for nice looking cards that has become it's own "thing". We've beaten that discussion to death already, but I guess you can't disagree with the auction results of those stickers.




I had bid on all the higher grade dark and white caps, but ultimately backed off on all. This was a great looking card, certainly a good price compared to prior two sales over $5k each.


I bid on 70 cards, won zero. Was underbidder on one - the 1928 Star Candy Ted Lyons authentic.

Looking forward to round two of basically just watching TV tonight.
I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.

Onlineracing 01-14-2019 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 1845136)
I picked up 17 T205s. That leaves 22 that I still need.

Steve
I picked up 4 myself, leaves me 40 to go.

RedsFan1941 01-14-2019 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845396)
And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.
one of america's greatest pastimes has become critiquing how other people spend money. cardboard envy is an ugly thing

CW 01-14-2019 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845232)
I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."
Good point, Sam, and also the 33 Goudey #53 Ruth PSA 4 sold for $9635 while the 5 hammered down at $11,211, a slightly weak price for a 5 and a super strong price for the 4 narrowed the gap.

Peter_Spaeth 01-14-2019 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845396)
I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.
Tough card to find that well centered.

bounce 01-14-2019 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845396)
I bought the Cobb Bat Off you referenced. Didn’t even read the description. Just bought based on the image. And I don’t feel bad about the price, even if others do.
Hope you aren't taking this as me criticizing the purchase, because I'm not.

I'm criticizing what I consider a somewhat less than honest write up about the card, as well as some skepticism of the consistency of application of standards around how they award their stickers.

It's a great looking card, but just wasn't the right one for me. That's ok. Looks like it found the right home.

MVSNYC 01-14-2019 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1845138)
Also $11,000 for a Johnson Port PSA 5

$8,900 for a Young Port PSA 4

The same bidder got the Young and Matty portraits. He was the runner up on the Johnson Port.

I got the Matty Black cap PSA 6 for $3,900, which I thought was a great price. And I got the Donlin Fielding PSA 6.5 for $1,200. Not cheap, but a tough card in high grade.

I don't know if this is the new normal for the portraits, but if it is I know for certain that I won't be upgrading mine.
Sean- I think I was the underbidder (or second UB) on that Matty Dark Cap. Beautiful card, congrats.

Also, as per your post above, Cy Young Portrait may be the next to really climb? Looks like crazy prices for him too last night. I might grab a few more now.

jmb 01-14-2019 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1845232)
Are you referring to the SGC 8?

I also noticed the 34 5 went for more than the 6. A nice example of "buying the card."
The 5 Gehrig had great eye appeal while the 6 was ugly.

Bridwell 01-14-2019 07:42 PM
Pwcc
 
I was able to get 3 cards:

T206 Ganley PSA 6
T207 Nunamaker PSA 5
1937 O-Pee-Chee Pearson PSA 6

The 1st two were tough upgrades and the 3rd was a type card I didn't have.

I did not get the E107 Phillippe that went for over $10,000. Somebody made some good money on that one!


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