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JamesGallo 04-12-2011 10:16 AM

Removing Sharpie Personalization's from photos
 
So I have a pile of glossy photos that are all signed in sharpie and are all personalized. It seems that with some lighter fluid the sharpie will come off clean with no residue and does not leave a mark. I also checked under a black light and there is no residue. I want to make a "To Steve best wishes" read just "best wishes".

My two questions are

Any problem doing this? I think this is different then removing names from a ball as it does not damage the photo or the rest of the signature.

Is there any way to detect this?

Would the community at large this this was restoration/alteration, or would it be treated like soaking some are fine with it, but some aren't?

James G

doug.goodman 04-12-2011 12:30 PM

When I worked at a grocery store back in the days of prices marked on soup cans with an ink stamper, we would remove the prices (when we needed to change them) with hairspray, which may, or may not, be easier to work with than lighter fluid.

I would consider the picture to be "altered" myself, although I don't collect autographs (anymore), so others may have a more valid opinion.

Doug

danc 04-12-2011 12:33 PM

To remove personalizations on glossy photos, use these markers called "Dry Erase".

I use markers made by a company called Expo and they come in a variety of colors (which doesn't matter).

The only way it can be detected is if a celebrity applies WAY TOO much pressure to the photo (usually with a thinner sharpie).

Otherwise, no issues and no one will ever know.

DanC

Mr. Zipper 04-12-2011 01:27 PM

Please do not use lighter fluid or any liquid. The risk of overspill or damage is way too high.

A Pentel Clic Eraser will take Sharpie off a glossy photo like it was never there with zero damage. Rub very lightly and lightly brush away the eraser crumbles frequently.

http://www.shoptheartstore.com/produ..._plze22c_b.jpg

Here is an example of a photo that used to be personalized. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...mmySPhorse.jpg

Mr. Zipper 04-12-2011 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesGallo (Post 886175)
Any problem doing this? I think this is different then removing names from a ball as it does not damage the photo or the rest of the signature.

Is there any way to detect this?

Would the community at large this this was restoration/alteration, or would it be treated like soaking some are fine with it, but some aren't?

By the way, removing personalizations is called "washing."

I would not do it with something historical and unique, but for a common signed photo, I really don't think it's a "cultural crime."

I suspect there may be traces of evidence visible under a UV light or something similar. But if done right, the ink is simply removed with no surface damage to the photo... should be impossible to tell with the naked eye unless the signer pressed hard enough to create indentations.

In my view, it should be disclosed to potential buyers... especially if there are remaining indentations in the paper. I've received obviously washed SPs from dealers that had faint indentations and I was not happy as I considered it damage.

Big Dave 04-13-2011 01:20 AM

Thanks for the info.


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murphusa 04-13-2011 06:37 AM

daily, we hear cries of "off with his head" when anyone here sees something that has been changed or altered, something added to enhance a item. Greed, forgeries, how dare you.

Funny stuff here these days

Piedmont Sport 04-13-2011 10:26 AM

This is so crazy - to assume removal means nothing - it's altered - I remember when Al Rosen was selling gum stain remover at his table and all the graded card guys where fighting to stop him from selling it - guess we all have different standards - just because it's sharpie and comes off easy makes it ok :confused:

murphusa 04-13-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport (Post 886366)
This is so crazy - to assume removal means nothing - it's altered - I remember when Al Rosen was selling gum stain remover at his table and all the graded card guys where fighting to stop him from selling it - guess we all have different standards - just because it's sharpie and comes off easy makes it ok :confused:


Nice display this weekend at the Antique Show Frank

Mr. Zipper 04-13-2011 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport (Post 886366)
guess we all have different standards - just because it's sharpie and comes off easy makes it ok :confused:

I suspected some folks would take issue with the matter of washing and it's certainly understandable.

That said, we're discussing removing personalizations from modern -- and common -- signed photos. In my view, not quite the same as removing a signature from a vintage ball to make it single-signed or chopping up a document to sell as parts.

I've done it on a handful of SPs that remain in my collection as it presents much better than "To Herman Yablonski..." If that makes me a bad guy guilty of marring the holiest of holies, so be it. :D

Steve Zarelli

Piedmont Sport 04-13-2011 12:18 PM

Thanks - Jim ------ i'll be back at Oaks this weekend Booths 635-637-734-736 -i'll have some blazing early Ruth photos all BVG TYPE 1

pclpads 04-13-2011 02:15 PM

I've done it on a handful of SPs that remain in my collection as it presents much better than "To Herman Yablonski..."

Mr. Yablonski may take offense at having his name removed!:D

Bossfan 03-19-2014 10:05 AM

Has anyone tried this on a white panel autograph football? My daughter attended a function at which a bunch of Ravens signed her Super Bowl autograph ball. Unfortunately, some other guy who was there, who wasn't a player, also signed it (even put a number next to his name). I'd love to get it off the football.

Thanks!

Fuddjcal 03-19-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 886409)
I suspected some folks would take issue with the matter of washing and it's certainly understandable.

That said, we're discussing removing personalizations from modern -- and common -- signed photos. In my view, not quite the same as removing a signature from a vintage ball to make it single-signed or chopping up a document to sell as parts.

I've done it on a handful of SPs that remain in my collection as it presents much better than "To Herman Yablonski..." If that makes me a bad guy guilty of marring the holiest of holies, so be it. :D

Steve Zarelli

I've tried the dry erase...didn't work. Tried the goof off...didn't work. Tried the alcohol...didn't work. All on the same 2 photos :D:D:D all I get are smudges and white marks.:D:D

didn't realize this was from 2011 and included our very own FRANK PRISCO !

David Atkatz 03-19-2014 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 886409)
I suspected some folks would take issue with the matter of washing and it's certainly understandable.

That said, we're discussing removing personalizations from modern -- and common -- signed photos. In my view, not quite the same as removing a signature from a vintage ball to make it single-signed or chopping up a document to sell as parts.

I've done it on a handful of SPs that remain in my collection as it presents much better than "To Herman Yablonski..." If that makes me a bad guy guilty of marring the holiest of holies, so be it. :D

Steve Zarelli

How about removing a personalization from an Armstrong SP (modern, and pretty common), and thereby doubling its value?

baseball tourist 03-19-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Atkatz (Post 1256141)
How about removing a personalization from an Armstrong SP (modern, and pretty common), and thereby doubling its value?

I say go ahead and attempt to remove it if you want. There is no guarantee that it will come off totally and nicely. If it is ruined, you only have yourself to blame. If it looks better and it's for your collection, great. If you go to sell it, divulge the "washing" and take great pics of the area in question (if not selling in person) and let the potential buyer(s) decide if they want it or not.

Bossfan 03-21-2014 07:42 AM

Tried Clic Eraser on the white panel autograph football, but no success. Has anyone tried to get Sharpie off of one of these footballs?

Thanks.


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