I decided to buy the John Dunlop 1894 Mayo football card and not the 52 Mantle PSA 4
 

Well guys I decided to buy the 1894 John Dunlop football card instead of the 52 Topps Mantle card...after doing a lot of reading for the last couple of hours and finding out that the Dunlop only has 10 known copies that exist in the whole world I just had to have it. The Mantle can be found any day of the week....not the case with the Dunlop Holy Grail of Football cards.

Nice!
 

I'm not familiar with the Dunlop card, but you make a good point about the easily accessible '52 Mantle.

To each his own!

If I really want another Mantle I will find one no problem I just find it very very cool to own a Holy Grail card in any sport.

So I guess without knowing I am sticking with vintage cards one way or another.

CNN Talked about this card (not mine but another one that was found):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgFGB6RBYk

and another Youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFZUVSiT8oE

Wait... what??? :D

CW:

Yes one member here talked about the Holy Grail of football cards and I could simply not get it out of my mind so decided to forfeit the 52 Mantle (the seller knows we just got off the phone and he agreed to sell me the Dunlop instead of the 52 Mantle).

Are you joking?

Link to the card I purchased:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251260543712?...84.m1423.l2649

Has a bad mark on it but hey only 10 exist in the world who can be picky!!!:)

Matthew H

No I am very very serious. I wanted to collect rare cards can't get much rarer than a card with less than 10 known to exist in all grades. The Mantle can be found any day of the week.

Nice pick-up!?

Matthew H

Thanks sir!!! I know you guys been baseball fans much rather own the Mantle but keep in mind I also love football but never knew there was such a important card in that sport. I will keep this card in my family as long as possible.

I love football too, and yes, that card is scarce.

I have a headache!

Good call
 

I'd much rather have the Dunlop for that amount of coin. You can always get a beater 52 Mantle down the road. I've been meaning/looking to buy a beater Mantle at a bargain price for the last 30 years. One day, I will.

Matthew H

I will buy a 52 Mantle later this year just did not want to miss on the Dunlop when one is actually up for sale. See the videos on page 1 of this topic that is what pushed me over the edge to buy it. And I made sure that the seller was OK first to cancel the Mantle and sell me the Dunlop did not want to make problems for him. But the guy is very cool and very easy going so all worked out.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Kau-Nu/Manic-episode.html

"A person experiencing a manic episode shows persistent and often inappropriate enthusiasm which may involve taking on new projects for which he or she is ill suited."

Rhett you're just jealous. :D

RCMcKenzie

Thanks very much for the positive feedback!!!:) Hope you get the chance to grab a Mantle...there is a super nice one on Ebay right now in BVG 1.5 the bid is at 4000$ +.

cyseymour

I suffer from OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) + anxiety disorder (to intense for most people) but take meds (I am much better than before) hey can't help that my brain is ill...a person with another diseases would not have to apologize for their illness. Hence the reason I do not drink alcohol anymore at all.

I always had those conditions even as a young kid. I am not crazy just nuts...hahahahaha!!!!

You do realize that the Dunlop card is a hoax made by collectors trying to corner the market on PSA4 1952 Topps Mantles, don't you?

drc

Hahahaha now that was funny as hell!!!:D

Hey have to laugh about ones own madness!!!

As an aside, it's kind of bum deal for the seller, TonyeTrade. I hope the talk on the board didn't cost him a nice sale.

itjclarke

No all is OK we spoke on the phone (about 30 minutes ago) and he actually wanted to send the Mantle back in to see if it can be a PSA 5 (he regretted selling it as a PSA 4) so we are on good terms. He gets the same price as well 9I paid 12500$ for the Dunlop and had paid 12950$ for the Mantle)...he is a very cool guy and easy going so no bad vibes at all. I told him if it causes a conflict I would stay with the Mantle card but he was more than OK.

win/win
 

My understanding is that Tony owns both cards. Zone gets some bona fides and a rare and obscure card and Tony can sell the Mantle to a much broader market. Everyone knows what a 1952 Topps Mantle card is and rich people who don't collect baseball cards buy them all the time.

RCMcKenzie


Rich people who do not collect baseball cards buy 52 Mantle's.......hahahaha that was very funny!!!:D

The Dunlop card will be much more appreciated by me than the Mantle. Plus who knows when the next one will come up for sale....most likely years and years can't say the same for the Mantle. I love the 52 Mantle don't get me wrong I will buy one...one day just not right now. I would not mind owning a nice PSA 2 or PSA 3 52 Mantle for a little less money.

Adrian,

I've got to admit, I'm worried for you... and I don't think I'm the only one here who feels that way. Yours is a very vulnerable situation, you've suffered from some terrible tragedies and maladies... and you don't know what you are doing with the cards, which are very high-priced items.

You gotta understand, what you are doing, there are very real consequences down the line. Maybe you can talk to some of these dealers and return the cards, get your money back, hopefully they'll understand... and then just stop. Maybe this is not a good time to be doing this... and maybe you oughta really talk with your brother a bit, as well.

It's late and I really can't be posting on your threads anymore, but I hope you'll really read this and think long and hard about consequences for this... money is not always easy to come by... people are worried.... hope you understand.

Cheers,

Jamie

Oh, I got ya, thanks. That makes all well in my mind.. still a little crazy but well. I should have opened the eBay link for the Dunlop

cyseymour

You are most kind sir!!! I will take that advice with a open mind.:)

I will see what I can do with the Mike Mitchell the rest I will keep. But you are right on the Mitchell card for sure.

But the Demmitt I will keep and the old judge card as well. I do not feel I overpaid to much on those.

I will not be buying another card for a few months I spent my maximum I wanted to spend on cards and not a penny more.

/editted

never mind

To all members here who are concerned:

No I have pretty much reached my limit on funds for a few months for sure....guys I am OK with my finances I pay ALL my bills and eat very well every month (I live alone and only have a pet so no one is bee neglected for sure).

This is money from a coin I sold. And 95% of the money I sold the coin for was used to pay most off most of my condo (I have been in it since 2010 just wanted to pay the most I could on it...it is a very nice place and I would not lose my condo for card purchases or any other ridiculous reason I have control over) off so I know how to handle my money. Priority is not cards it's a hobby.

I make a very good salary every month and my job is not going anywhere...very secure...I was simply confused on the Mantle. I appreciate the concern BUT you guys will not see any other purchases from me on here for a long while it will be a T206 Bill O'Hara error in PSA 2.

I'm bipolar (manic depressive), have been since I was a kid, and there's nothing wrong with waiting a month to buy cards. They'll still be there.

drc

I feel your pain mental illness is tough...keep courage sir (medication and not partying helps a lot do)!! I will slow down just was not sure about the 52 Mantle....I mostly like rare things and the 52 Mantle does not fit that description...hence my change of heart and the Dunlop is a true rare card...and the only card in my collection called a ''Holy Grail'' of any sport...and most likely the only one I will ever own that has that title.

If I remember correctly there were members who were very concerned for Jaime when he started posting (not me). Have fun and take it slow. Read the OJ book and buy Lew Lipset's guide. Buy Bob Lemke's 2006 SCD guide and read thru it. Read some of the archives on here. It can be a crazy hobby, but it can also be fun and what you make it. I think Matt H had it right when he said that if someone who is not a member of this board compliments you on your baseball card collection, they are just being polite.

RCMcKenzie

I am much happier with the Dunlop card than the Mantle...for me rarity is key when collecting. Thanks for the advice. I am not going to be buying any cards for a few months now so the forum will be a bit slower...I am sure some need a break.

You mentioned that you had offers higher than your purchase price on the Mantle. Why not sell it to one of those folks, pocket the profit and buy the football card?

bender07

To many shipping fees (shipping back and forth) and extra taxes with custom fees I would not end up making a profit but losing money...it crossed my mind.

Adrian, Jamie's advice sounds both compassionate and sincere. I'm certain you make much more money than I do and can afford such nice and rare Items. However, impulsively purchasing such high dollar cards is concerning no matter what tax bracket you live in. Please be careful I fear this is going nowhere good.

How much do you think I should have paid for the Dunlop card I mean only 9 of them exist in the whole world and is known as the ''Holy Grail'' of football cards...I figure it is worth anywhere from 10 000$ to
15 000$...correct me if I am wrong.

I can't see this card going down in value only up over time with such a low supply.

The rich are different
 

Many moons ago, I studied English Lit and remember a quote, "The rich are different" I drank too much, so can't remember if it was Norman Mailer or F Scott Fitzgerald. Someone keeps outbidding me on cards I want. I'm not here to say they are crazy.

RCMcKenzie

I guess we are different we worry much less...and we mean nothing bad by doing so....we simply say to ourselves I took a loss of this amount this time...but hey next week is pay day from work so all is OK in the end (all my bills are paid off and good food on the table so why worry).

I was poor as a kid growing up and try to live stress free now as a adult....but the guys here are right one must be vigilant when spending no matter how much money one has....I will take the advice and change my habits as of today I think that is the best thing to do.

I wasn't even remotely trying make a medical diagnosis about anyone. I was commenting in relation to the earlier posts about mania.

And I admit you've chosen nice cards. Though I haven't observed the prices.

Holy Grail of Football?
 

I thought the "holy grail" of football cards was the 35' National Chicle Bronko Nagurski?

tennisguy

Me to...I was proven wrong here.

Zone,

I hope you are honest with yourself and agree to what you've asked yourself. Yesterday, you adamantly had NO buyers remorse and today you spent over 10k on a card you had never heard of 24 hrs before. I understand that you are financially able to swing it, but I hope you slow down "in general" to avoid problems in other aspects of your life. Your penchant for the dramatic and OCD could burn a lot of relationships in the hobby, in your profession, and in life. In general, people like to know what to expect, and you are most definitely a wild card. That can be good in some instances, but I hope for your sake, that you are able to better control your illness with the help of your physicians, medications, and those close to you so that it does not impact your day to day living. As a collective, I think we are seeing a pattern in your posts that concerns us. These are all great cards, but in the end it's just cardboard. I hope that our banter with you on this board is not stoking the fire so to speak. Please take your own advice and openly discuss your decision process on these items with your brother and physicians.

Good luck to you in the future, in and outside of this hobby.

Histrionic personality disorder

Adrian, you wrote this to me in the other thread. How on earth did you change your mind so fast?

I'm a little confuse, When Eric72 asked you if you had the 1952 Mantle in hand your response was

"Yes received it yesterday. I was talking to a few people and they offered me more than what I paid for it."

Are you now saying that you are sending the card back to the seller for the Dunlop, or you lied and never had the Mantle in hand.

I said I had the Mantle in hand to protect myself from other potential buyers jumping in on the deal has happened to me in the and it sucks.

Lying is a good way to make friends here and elsewhere.

Christmas comes early to the Arnold household.

"Kids, we're going to Hawaii!!"

Exactly what I thought Peter.

Peter_Spaeth

Yes I know....just been burned bad in the past I was trying to protect myself.

I have not lied about anything else except that I told Leon in private he understood.

This certainly is entertaining (actually bizarre). I can't wait for the next episode!

Have none of you ever changed your mind on a purchase at the last minute I do not think this is bizarre or crazy. I am collecting cards that are rare and the Dunlop fits that description to the tea!!! The Mantle was a dream card but not what I collect in terms of rare cards....rarity comes first for me then a dream card.

I mean people do it all the time with other things in their lives like hey what a beautiful women I must have her in my life then 2 days later ah no she is not for me....and other times it last a life time with a women.

I think divorce cost way more than a few bad choices when changing ones mind on another card one wants versus another card.

I hope everyone is enjoying the carnival. Wonder how long it's in town?

Like Jesus said may the 1st one to cast a stone be a person who has never made a error/sin in his life....and the WHOLE crowd just stood there and no one came forward to cast a stone at the so called ''sinner''.

I am far from been perfect guys!!!

Adrian,

A card like that, it's not necessarily on price. My Mantle signed rookie and Gehrig signed DeLong were the most I've ever spent on a card, and I never thought I would have spent that much on a card ever.

The point is, I'm happy, regardless of price. And we can all see that you are happy as well, and price isn't too big of a concern. Don't really ever worry about over paying if it's something you're truly going to enjoy, like what I did. I don't ever plan on getting rid of my cards, and if I got offered $30k for the pair, I'd say no because I enjoy them too much.

Best of Luck,

Brent

HOF Auto Rookies

Good point sir!!! I would not sell the Dunlop either it is here to stay in my collection for a long long while.

Correcting a few misconceptions
 

I love it when baseball card collectors talk football ;-) However, a couple of things that Zone91 were told are not true.

1) True football experts now put the estimate for the number of Dunlop cards to be between 20 - 30. It's still pretty rare but isn't even close to the rarest football card that exists. There are 14-15 graded Dunlop's between PSA and SGC. The others aren't graded. Due to the press around some recent findings of this card, others have popped up in the past year.

2) At least 4-5 Dunlop's have been sold on the public market during the past year so this card does come up for auction more frequently than you have been told. There have been years, however, where it did not appear in an auction so it's definitely not a given that you can find one if you want one. I've been offered three of them in the past year so they are definitely out there, though.

The question as to whether the Dunlop card is the Holy Grail of football cards hugely depends upon your perspective. Some serious collectors prefer a high grade National Chicle Nagurski to the Dunlop simply because Nagurski was a pro star whereas Dunlop was barely a starter on his college team and unknown to the general population. His claim to fame is due to a printing error that left his name off the card. This is probably why the population of this card is lower than the other cards in the N302 Mayo set.

Others consider star cards with lower population to be the big dogs of the hobby. As examples, I believe there are only two Star Player Candy Red Grange cards and two Rogers Peet Ken Strong cards known to exist.

I personally love the Dunlop card and wouldn't trade it for any of the others.

jeff

As I told Peter S yesterday, a few more days. I/we try to let things work themselves out on the board. When they don't, then they get worked out otherwise.

jefferyepayne

Thanks I am fine if there are 20 -30 known still a very rare card compared to say the Wagner or some other expensive cards.

Leon

Will I be banned I followed you rule of 2 topics maximum per day?

Adrian- must you comment on every single post that refers to you, no matter how small? Can't you just let a few of them pass without posting? That's the issue, that this board has become Adrian's dog and pony show. Just take a break once and a while, and everything will be fine.

barrysloate

OK cool will do...take care guys!!!

No, Adrian, you have abided by what was asked of you. I don't see banning you at all. However, as others have said, one person can not take over the board, me included. If you post 50-100 times a day, about every single little thing that comes to your mind, then it turns others off. Just take it easy. As has been said, you don't have to reply to every single post, with another post. I just want a happy community and many members are not happy because of how much you are posting the last few days. We all want you to be in the hobby and I don't think anyone actually dislikes you.....they just dislike the forum being taken over the way it has been. If it persists then I will ask you to post less. I still think you are a very good guy and I like you....
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Wow. Just read this thread while researching the Dunlop card (a 1.5 went unsold on ebay with an 11k min bid at auction). i have to think Adrian has regretted this decision.

Nothing says Net54 better than Adrian, the crown jewel of former Board Members.:D

What's a football and how come they made cards of these things ?

I just read through this thread and the last couple that Adrian started. This was before I joined Net54. Pretty crazy stuff. I don't think I've seen anything quite like it in my time here.

You would have to read all the posts and notice the time stamps to realize this, but Adrian regretted every decision he made within days (sometimes hours or even minutes) of making the decision.

Hard to believe it has been three years...

Go track down the thread where Bruce D. threatens to sue himself.

"Elementary, Sherman. Let's rev up the Wayback Machine." - Mr. Peabody

Adrian bought a Mantle 4, and sold it. I regret not buying it, he offered it at a substantial discount to then-market and it was a nice one, but I just was not comfortable sending him money and trusting him given that as a buyer he had reneged on quite a few purchases. My loss was another board member's gain though.

He was erratic, but he never really "scammed"anyone (or at least that I recall) and most of the time he was the one that came out on the bottom because of his flip flopping on a constant basis. Every card he bought he was going to "keep forever" and then "pass down to his nephew", but then a few days later he would sell it at a loss and buy something new with the idea of keeping that forever.

Yeah, he did renege on a number of ebay purchases though, and with him in Canada -- and refusing to use a third party as an intermediary -- I just was not comfortable.

Understandable, I never did a deal with him either.

Yeah, remember that MURR'Y card? He sold it to Kevin Quinn for less than 1/3 of what he paid for it.

Man, really bringing up the past now. Isn't Kevin Quinn the guy that got banned because he said he could hack this website. Then Leon put "idiot" next to his name telling him to hack that and fix it?