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earlywynnfan 08-02-2018 11:12 AM

Tony Podsada busted at National!
 
Saw his table, $30 mantles, $40 jordans. Guys buying stacks of shit. I'm trying to tell people they're forgeries, but nobody will listen. Just walked by again, the cops and security are boxing it all up and taking it Away!

gregr2 08-02-2018 12:36 PM

It will all be headed to eBay by the end of the week.

Michael B 08-02-2018 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregr2 (Post 1800011)
It will all be headed to eBay by the end of the week.

If I read this correctly, it was seized by the police. Not very likely you will see it on ebay. The local incinerator is probably its future home.

gregr2 08-02-2018 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 1800012)
If I read this correctly, it was seized by the police. Not very likely you will see it on ebay. The local incinerator is probably its future home.

Hopefully that is the case, I was just going by his statement "Guys buying stacks of shit." that some of it may have already left the building.

Aquarian Sports Cards 08-02-2018 01:09 PM

Wonder if any other dealers don't show up tomorrow...

Mr. Zipper 08-02-2018 04:48 PM

Did he have the sign indicating the signed photos were "decorative items"?

thetruthisoutthere 08-02-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1799990)
Saw his table, $30 mantles, $40 jordans. Guys buying stacks of shit. I'm trying to tell people they're forgeries, but nobody will listen. Just walked by again, the cops and security are boxing it all up and taking it Away!

Great post, Ken.

2016 at the National in Atlantic City, Tony Podsada was there.

Decorative" items. In other words, he threw his "authenticator" under the bus.

See below.



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SetBuilder 08-02-2018 05:50 PM

Owners of expensive paintings sometimes have exact replicas made to hang on their walls and then they keep the real one in a climate controlled vault somewhere. For security reasons.

Couldn't the same logic be extended to sports memorabilia? Prices are skyrocketing.

Lordstan 08-02-2018 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800079)
Owners of expensive paintings sometimes have exact replicas made to hang on their walls and then they keep the real one in a climate controlled vault somewhere. For security reasons.

Couldn't the same logic be extended to sports memorabilia? Prices are skyrocketing.

Yes. Except that he is a very famous forger known for making things to sell as real.

Leon 08-02-2018 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800079)
Owners of expensive paintings sometimes have exact replicas made to hang on their walls and then they keep the real one in a climate controlled vault somewhere. For security reasons.

Couldn't the same logic be extended to sports memorabilia? Prices are skyrocketing.

You can display fakes you just can't commit fraud.

commishbob 08-02-2018 06:35 PM

Not a good look for the hobby, the National or TriStar. Why do they lease him a table/booth? Yes, I'm sure the answer is $$$ but are they that desperate?

SetBuilder 08-02-2018 06:59 PM

I'm not trying to defend the crook, I'm just interested in the legal question.

According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."

You also have the fact that real Jordan autographs don't cost only $40.

I'm curious as to how law enforcement is going to prove that his buyers were deceived. To prove fraud, you have to prove that his buyers were misled by material misrepresentations.

Maybe I'm missing some important details?

earlywynnfan 08-02-2018 07:11 PM

He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.

This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items:
"Is he selling these as repros or something?"
No, they're real.
"He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??"
I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit.
"No they're not, they're forgeries!!"
Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?"

God Bless stupid people!!

thetruthisoutthere 08-02-2018 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800106)
I'm not trying to defend the crook, I'm just interested in the legal question.

According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."

You also have the fact that real Jordan autographs don't cost only $40.

I'm curious as to how law enforcement is going to prove that his buyers were deceived. To prove fraud, you have to prove that his buyers were misled by material misrepresentations.

Maybe I'm missing some important details?


https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...1155035&page=1

earlywynnfan 08-02-2018 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1800114)
He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.

This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items:
"Is he selling these as repros or something?"
No, they're real.
"He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??"
I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit.
"No they're not, they're forgeries!!"
Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?"

God Bless stupid people!!

I should pull back a bit, I did not SEE that sign, or any other stating these were decorative items, but it definitely wasn't displayed on the side I was standing, nor was he telling people they were decorative.

Mr. Zipper 08-02-2018 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800106)
According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."

To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.

chalupacollects 08-03-2018 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 1800152)
To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.

My opinion, doesn't matter if there was a "Decorative Items" sign posted. We know his customers are mainly buying to resell as authentic, if you believe the other previous posts. . People like this are a scourge on this hobby and hopefully they get the punishment they deserve...

Mr. Zipper 08-03-2018 07:30 AM

This story does not name the vendor, but I assume it is the same matter we are discussing here.

Vendor accused of trying to sell phony autographs at popular sports convention in Cleveland

https://fox8.com/2018/08/02/vendor-a...-in-cleveland/

RichardSimon 08-03-2018 08:05 AM

As many of us here know he has a ton of the stuff. If all they did was confiscate his crap then he will just continue operating as always.

shelly 08-03-2018 09:57 AM

Well at least the Cleveland Police did there job. Unlike the FBI who has had this information for the last 10 years and have done nothing with it.
I also believe that you can not call autographs decorative items. I think you have to say reprints.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

thetruthisoutthere 08-03-2018 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 1800152)
To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.

Read my Comment #7.

It shows a photo from the 2016 National in August.

Terrier8HOF 08-03-2018 01:09 PM

From 2016:
"Many of the Ali autographs, which were then authenticated by eBay sellers by GFA, come from South Florida dealer Tony Podsada, who runs a company called SCM.

"At one point, I had about 18,000 Ali autographs," Podsada said. "I have about 3,000 left, mostly on 4-by-6 and 5-by-7 photos."

Podsada said he obtained the Ali signatures from 1988 to 1993, when his business, My Favorite Players, was one of the heavyweights in the industry.

Podsada's items do not come with a certificate of authenticity. Disenchanted with the authentication business, Podsada said he merely offers buyers the assurance that it's a "decorative item only."

"I believe what I have is real, but I don't guarantee anything because I know too much," Podsada said.

Podsada will sell a 5-by-7 plaque with an Ali signature for $19.99 because he says that the leading authenticators, PSA/DNA and JSA, will fail his items simply because of the quantity he has. That makes it harder, he says, to make a greater margin."

Is it just a coincidence that most of the sellers of forgeries on ebay are from S. florida, which happens to be where TP is from?

chalupacollects 08-03-2018 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrier8HOF (Post 1800294)
From 2016:
"Many of the Ali autographs, which were then authenticated by eBay sellers by GFA, come from South Florida dealer Tony Podsada, who runs a company called SCM.

"At one point, I had about 18,000 Ali autographs," Podsada said. "I have about 3,000 left, mostly on 4-by-6 and 5-by-7 photos."

Podsada said he obtained the Ali signatures from 1988 to 1993, when his business, My Favorite Players, was one of the heavyweights in the industry.

Podsada's items do not come with a certificate of authenticity. Disenchanted with the authentication business, Podsada said he merely offers buyers the assurance that it's a "decorative item only."

"I believe what I have is real, but I don't guarantee anything because I know too much," Podsada said.

Podsada will sell a 5-by-7 plaque with an Ali signature for $19.99 because he says that the leading authenticators, PSA/DNA and JSA, will fail his items simply because of the quantity he has. That makes it harder, he says, to make a greater margin."

Is it just a coincidence that most of the sellers of forgeries on ebay are from S. florida, which happens to be where TP is from?

Does anyone actually think Muhammad Ali spent his time actually writing his name 18,000 times?

May not be out of the realm of reality with today's players over the course of a career but a retired multi-millionaire national icon - don't think so...smh...

Fuddjcal 08-03-2018 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1799990)
Saw his table, $30 mantles, $40 jordans. Guys buying stacks of shit. I'm trying to tell people they're forgeries, but nobody will listen. Just walked by again, the cops and security are boxing it all up and taking it Away!

Finally, a real feel good story for 2018. He''s probably already out with the dot matrix printer & a new authentication company name. A true scum bag if ever there was one PERIOD. He has some pretty big balls to try and sell that well documented TRASH at the National. I hope he rots in prison or takes on a big fine that changes his pathetic little life.

Fuddjcal 08-03-2018 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800079)
Owners of expensive paintings sometimes have exact replicas made to hang on their walls and then they keep the real one in a climate controlled vault somewhere. For security reasons.

Couldn't the same logic be extended to sports memorabilia? Prices are skyrocketing.

Are you out of your skull? because these are horrendous looking photos that no collector would want on their wall. I let mine fade or make a nice photo copy and store the original. These are shit fake signatures on shit photo paper media with a shit printer...=SHIT

Fuddjcal 08-03-2018 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1800114)
He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.

This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items:
"Is he selling these as repros or something?"
No, they're real.
"He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??"
I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit.
"No they're not, they're forgeries!!"
Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?"

God Bless stupid people!!

like his ridiculous huge whale fish tale that " I sued scoreboard and I won, so they're authentic scoreboard" moronic statement.

Runscott 08-03-2018 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal (Post 1800332)
Are you out of your skull? because these are horrendous looking photos that no collector would want on their wall. I let mine fade or make a nice photo copy and store the original. These are shit fake signatures on shit photo paper media with a shit printer...=SHIT

We should have an icon that you can click to generate the above response to some of the "Is this Mantle real?" threads.

thetruthisoutthere 08-03-2018 05:29 PM

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Below is a screenshot from the Feedback page of Ebay seller Rbisportsinc.

He (Rod) was a major seller of the "Florida" forgeries. I posted numerous threads on him.

Read his reply to a Feedback left from a buyer.




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thetruthisoutthere 08-03-2018 06:15 PM

Now Ebay seller Rbisportsinc sells his GFA-certed crap on his own website.



https://rbisportsinc.com/mickey-mant...to-autographed

SetBuilder 08-03-2018 09:31 PM

This case perfectly illustrates the gray area of the law these guys operate in. Current laws are inadequate to prevent this from happening.

The primary seller of these "decorative items," prices them at prices that would make it impossible to prove you overpaid and were defrauded. No experienced collector would have a case. Imagine the absurdity of proving that the Ali signed plaque is worth $0 and that you paid $19.99 too much for it. How would you even do that? Real Ali signatures are 10x more expensive.

So the fault here probably lies with the secondary seller, the unethical dealer who buys the $19.99 Ali signatures to flip as authentic. But, how is the primary seller liable for the actions of another dealer?

SetBuilder 08-03-2018 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal (Post 1800329)
I hope he rots in prison or takes on a big fine that changes his pathetic little life.

Prison seems unlikely if he was selling Ali signed plaques for $19.99.

Most jurisdictions have forgery laws, but they only apply to things like real estate deeds and bank checks. So if you forge grandma's signature on a quit claim deed, or steal her checkbook...things like that. Those laws are hard to apply to sports memorabilia.

Mickey Mantle, for example, is a widely known sports figure, so how is his signature any different from artwork? A signature of Mantle is basically an artistic doodle. No different than an Andy Warhol soup can. Selling reproductions of art isn't illegal. Mantle's signature on a glossy 8 x 10 is completely different than grandma's signature on a legal document. The former is a piece of art, while the latter is a negotiable instrument.

Is a reproduction only evident by the sales price? Is that "authentic" Babe Ruth signed ball you bought for $200 at the local antiques show, with and a nod and a wink from the store owner, a reproduction? Or were you a victim of a crime? Is it only a crime when you pay the full price of an authentic Ruth signature?

drcy 08-04-2018 01:55 AM

It's illegal to make or sell unlicensed reproductions of art if the artwork has copyrights/trademarks. It's illegal to sell 'reproductions' of Levi's jeans, Coach bags or NFL jerseys period-- whether or not you tell customers they aren't authentic. In fact, if you inform customers that those Coach bags aren't authentic, that's admission that you know you're selling counterfeits.

chalupacollects 08-04-2018 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800449)
Prison seems unlikely if he was selling Ali signed plaques for $19.99.

Most jurisdictions have forgery laws, but they only apply to things like real estate deeds and bank checks. So if you forge grandma's signature on a quit claim deed, or steal her checkbook...things like that. Those laws are hard to apply to sports memorabilia.

Mickey Mantle, for example, is a widely known sports figure, so how is his signature any different from artwork? A signature of Mantle is basically an artistic doodle. No different than an Andy Warhol soup can. Selling reproductions of art isn't illegal. Mantle's signature on a glossy 8 x 10 is completely different than grandma's signature on a legal document. The former is a piece of art, while the latter is a negotiable instrument.

Is a reproduction only evident by the sales price? Is that "authentic" Babe Ruth signed ball you bought for $200 at the local antiques show, with and a nod and a wink from the store owner, a reproduction? Or were you a victim of a crime? Is it only a crime when you pay the full price of an authentic Ruth signature?

If its fake and you sell it and you know its fake without disclosure its fraud... Does this jerk even have the rights to use the photographic images he is printing out?

silvor 08-04-2018 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800449)
Most jurisdictions have forgery laws, but they only apply to things like real estate deeds and bank checks. So if you forge grandma's signature on a quit claim deed, or steal her checkbook...things like that. Those laws are hard to apply to sports memorabilia.

Selling a fake auto, purse, etc is called FRAUD, so there's that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800449)
Selling reproductions of art isn't illegal.

Yes it is.

shelly 08-04-2018 10:10 AM

I would estimate that he has sold over 20,000,000 dollars over the past 17 years. I know that Richard, Chris and I have been keeping track of his sales for a very long time. The FBI in Florida refused to go after him. They had a slam dunk.:mad::mad::mad:

thetruthisoutthere 08-04-2018 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelly (Post 1800521)
I would estimate that he has sold over 20,000,000 dollars over the past 17 years. I know that Richard, Chris and I have been keeping track of his sales for a very long time. The FBI in Florida refused to go after him. They had a slam dunk.:mad::mad::mad:

+1

They certainly did!!!

A slam dunk!!!!

D. Bergin 08-04-2018 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chalupacollects (Post 1800313)
Does anyone actually think Muhammad Ali spent his time actually writing his name 18,000 times?

May not be out of the realm of reality with today's players over the course of a career but a retired multi-millionaire national icon - don't think so...smh...


I wouldn't be surprised if Ali signed a Million+ autographs throughout his life, a large portion of them for free.

Unfortunately there's probably 20 times that in fakes out there, because of the demand.

Highly doubt he signed 18,000 times for any one person or entity though..............particularly this scumbag.

Ali never really had any concept of money either. Likely gave most of it away. His most valuable asset to his family when he passed away, was easily his name.

RichardSimon 08-04-2018 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelly (Post 1800521)
I would estimate that he has sold over 20,000,000 dollars over the past 17 years. I know that Richard, Chris and I have been keeping track of his sales for a very long time. The FBI in Florida refused to go after him. They had a slam dunk.:mad::mad::mad:

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

tdellis 08-05-2018 05:10 PM

Pic
 
Any photos of him?

RichardSimon 08-05-2018 06:46 PM

Check with the Post Office, they may have a wanted poster.
In addition to what he does now, he is a convicted felon.

RichardSimon 08-05-2018 06:47 PM

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started new thread.

Fuddjcal 08-05-2018 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1800449)
Prison seems unlikely if he was selling Ali signed plaques for $19.99.

Most jurisdictions have forgery laws, but they only apply to things like real estate deeds and bank checks. So if you forge grandma's signature on a quit claim deed, or steal her checkbook...things like that. Those laws are hard to apply to sports memorabilia.

Mickey Mantle, for example, is a widely known sports figure, so how is his signature any different from artwork? A signature of Mantle is basically an artistic doodle. No different than an Andy Warhol soup can. Selling reproductions of art isn't illegal. Mantle's signature on a glossy 8 x 10 is completely different than grandma's signature on a legal document. The former is a piece of art, while the latter is a negotiable instrument.

Is a reproduction only evident by the sales price? Is that "authentic" Babe Ruth signed ball you bought for $200 at the local antiques show, with and a nod and a wink from the store owner, a reproduction? Or were you a victim of a crime? Is it only a crime when you pay the full price of an authentic Ruth signature?

well put

Fuddjcal 08-05-2018 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1800463)
It's illegal to make or sell unlicensed reproductions of art if the artwork has copyrights/trademarks. It's illegal to sell 'reproductions' of Levi's jeans, Coach bags or NFL jerseys period-- whether or not you tell customers they aren't authentic. In fact, if you inform customers that those Coach bags aren't authentic, that's admission that you know you're selling counterfeits.

another very good point

Fuddjcal 08-05-2018 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelly (Post 1800521)
I would estimate that he has sold over 20,000,000 dollars over the past 17 years. I know that Richard, Chris and I have been keeping track of his sales for a very long time. The FBI in Florida refused to go after him. They had a slam dunk.:mad::mad::mad:

the best point of all...

tdellis 08-06-2018 10:01 AM

He has a facebook page
 
So I know what he looks like

scyrkin 08-07-2018 08:14 PM

+1

scyrkin 08-07-2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1800463)
It's illegal to make or sell unlicensed reproductions of art if the artwork has copyrights/trademarks. It's illegal to sell 'reproductions' of Levi's jeans, Coach bags or NFL jerseys period-- whether or not you tell customers they aren't authentic. In fact, if you inform customers that those Coach bags aren't authentic, that's admission that you know you're selling counterfeits.

+1

scyrkin 08-07-2018 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrier8HOF (Post 1800294)
From 2016:
"Many of the Ali autographs, which were then authenticated by eBay sellers by GFA, come from South Florida dealer Tony Podsada, who runs a company called SCM.

"At one point, I had about 18,000 Ali autographs," Podsada said. "I have about 3,000 left, mostly on 4-by-6 and 5-by-7 photos."

Podsada said he obtained the Ali signatures from 1988 to 1993, when his business, My Favorite Players, was one of the heavyweights in the industry.

Podsada's items do not come with a certificate of authenticity. Disenchanted with the authentication business, Podsada said he merely offers buyers the assurance that it's a "decorative item only."

"I believe what I have is real, but I don't guarantee anything because I know too much," Podsada said.

Podsada will sell a 5-by-7 plaque with an Ali signature for $19.99 because he says that the leading authenticators, PSA/DNA and JSA, will fail his items simply because of the quantity he has. That makes it harder, he says, to make a greater margin."

Is it just a coincidence that most of the sellers of forgeries on ebay are from S. florida, which happens to be where TP is from?

All the Podsada Ali signed photos I've seen were printed on inkjet printer paper. The kind that came onto the market in August 1995 or later. A shade later than 1988-93.

thetruthisoutthere 08-08-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scyrkin (Post 1801745)
All the Podsada Ali signed photos I've seen were printed on inkjet printer paper. The kind that came onto the market in August 1995 or later. A shade later than 1988-93.

Yep.

I possess various "Mantle" signed photos from multiple "Florida" sellers and every one was produced on inkjet paper.

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...1155035&page=1

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...-do-they-use-b

david_l 08-08-2018 04:08 PM

I had read that article previously. Great research. Very well done.


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