Net54baseball.com Forums

Net54baseball.com Forums (http://www.net54baseball.com/index.php)
-   Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used (http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   Christie's Buried Treasure thread (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=253752)

T206Jim 04-12-2018 09:05 PM

Christie's Buried Treasure thread
 
1 Attachment(s)
I was fortunate to win a couple of lots at the Christie's and just received my winnings today. I had requested access to several lots, so I knew what was there, but I was stunned at the sheer volume of magnificent images buried within 75 photo lots with only a handful of the images actually posted publicly in the auction listing.

So, I'm starting this thread to post your "Buried Treasure, photos that were not publicly shown in the listing images. Please share yours, but "buried treasure" only!

Here is one of mine. It comes from lot 210 and is one of my very favorite Bender images. I have been searching for this exact copy for years. It was my photographic White Whale! It was last seen in a Legendary Auction some years back. If anyone has a copy of the catalog with that listing I'd appreciate a shot of the listing as I could have sworn it mentioned Paul Thompson.

In any event, post away, I doubt we will discover such buried treasure in any other auction anytime soon. I will post more images in a few days, but suffice it to say, as a buyer, I am thrilled with Christie's.


Attachment 312388

RedsFan1941 04-12-2018 09:12 PM

this is the description when legendary auctioned it, in december 2009. it sold for $2,370.



Chief Bender - Thompson Original Photo


Original Thompson writing, American Press Association Stamp Authenticated by PSA; Full PSA letter accompanies.

T206Jim 04-12-2018 09:16 PM

Thanks Ronnie, great information! The PSA letter is no longer with it, anyone had any luck back tracing a cert # from PSA to view the letter online?

whitey19thcentury 04-12-2018 10:14 PM

I won only one photo lot (a team photo lot), but won several more lots, including the Coveleski and Wilmer Fields lots. I have no clue what is all in them, I bid just judging by the writeups and what I saw in the photo provided.
I am still waiting for my winnings to arrive. I got a suspicion that the Fields lot is going to be filled with treasures.

btcarfagno 04-13-2018 05:49 AM

I posted a thread in this section several days ago regarding a Ty Cobb photo in one of the lots that I won. The photo is very clear and almost certainly from the original negative. Only question to me is whether a type one or type two. If it turns out to be a type one (which I have a feeling that it is), I will be more than a little bit happy.

A Ty Cobb full size type one with full borders dated to 1907 by Cahrles Conlon? Yes please!

Was not photographed or even mentioned in the write up.

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/y...psh7sjikfr.jpg

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/y...psoftu4sbv.jpg

TCMA 04-13-2018 06:47 AM

I won several lots as well and picking them up at Christie's today. Spent about five hours there last week, so I definitely did know what I was getting. Here's a scan from their site of one of my favorites. Will post more once I have everything in-hand:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/812/4...4ebebe69_c.jpg

jerseygary 04-13-2018 07:05 AM

Wow Andrew, that's a really nice one!

Snapolit1 04-13-2018 08:32 AM

1 Attachment(s)
This one was buried in my binder. I love all the markings. Feels like an artistic creation.

TCMA 04-13-2018 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseygary (Post 1766907)
Wow Andrew, that's a really nice one!

Thanks, Gary :cool: . Scan really doesn't do it justice. In-person it's a stunner. Think I've got a shot on my phone from when I visited. Will post.

TCMA 04-13-2018 08:37 AM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...80e79a58cb.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...72dee1f932.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bd024d2a7a.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

slidekellyslide 04-13-2018 10:23 AM

Is it safe to say that christie’s did not do their due diligence for their consignor?

Runscott 04-13-2018 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1766990)
Is it safe to say that christie’s did not do their due diligence for their consignor?

Wow, is that ever an under-statement! I checked out the catalog but did not have the guts to bid on anything.

TCMA 04-13-2018 03:37 PM

In my case, the treasure actually WAS buried. Shot this it Christie’s when I went to pickup. Guy had to dig through the boxes to find my lots so I could condense and carry home:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e2d2b61df1.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

TCMA 04-13-2018 03:39 PM

One box held three box binders, the other held two box binders. Those binders were in a smaller box, surrounded with packing peanuts, inside the boxes you see there. Also, each binder box was wrapped in plastic and secured with tape. Maximum overkill.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

whitey19thcentury 04-13-2018 07:20 PM

Now I know why I paid over $500 for shipping!!!!

TCMA 04-13-2018 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitey19thcentury (Post 1767137)
Now I know why I paid over $500 for shipping!!!!

Best have a sharp blade handy once they arrive. Lots of hacking and slashing in your future.

TCMA 04-14-2018 06:56 AM

Very happy with these two from my Giants lots. 1922 and 1923:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f45bf1ca7d.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a397724df2.jpg

Not to mention this one hiding in the weeds:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9343c3380c.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...49285223fc.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

whitey19thcentury 04-14-2018 05:42 PM

I'd be interested to see any Pirates photos from any of the lots, including the team lots.

btcarfagno 04-14-2018 08:17 PM

Now I get why he was called Highpockets. That never clicked until just now.

T206Jim 04-15-2018 09:59 PM

1 Attachment(s)
"Home Run" is an apt moniker for this gem from lot 53.

Attachment 312817

TCMA 04-15-2018 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Jim (Post 1767830)
"Home Run" is an apt moniker for this gem from lot 53.

Very nice! Is there a news service stamp on the back?

Dewey 04-15-2018 10:27 PM

Dang. Great treasures!

T206Jim 04-15-2018 10:29 PM

Yes it is a double weight Underwood.

TCMA 04-15-2018 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Jim (Post 1767836)
Yes it is a double weight Underwood.


Wow, nice. I’m sure that lot had more great stuff as well. An Underwood from one of my Giants lots:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b58fa5b453.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...45d4ff5ce2.jpg





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Jobu 04-15-2018 11:49 PM

How cow Jim, that Bender photo is out of this world. Congrats!

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Jim (Post 1766832)


biohazard 04-16-2018 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCMA (Post 1766903)
I won several lots as well and picking them up at Christie's today. Spent about five hours there last week, so I definitely did know what I was getting. Here's a scan from their site of one of my favorites. Will post more once I have everything in-hand:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/812/4...4ebebe69_c.jpg

Great picture! I would enjoy seeing Kriendler tackle that one.

whitey19thcentury 04-16-2018 03:35 PM

1 Attachment(s)
5x7 Thorne Yankees team photo. This came out of the Coveleski photo album. I assume that this is the 1928 season since that was Coveleski's lone season with them.

Jobu 04-16-2018 04:29 PM

Nice addition! This looks like one of their spring training photos - I have Pete Appleton's copy (aka Jablonowski) from 1933:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132359...7677532628734/

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitey19thcentury (Post 1768030)
5x7 Thorne Yankees team photo. This came out of the Coveleski photo album. I assume that this is the 1928 season since that was Coveleski's lone season with them.


slidekellyslide 04-16-2018 11:12 PM

I guess I need to start paying attention to Christie’s now. I remember the good old days of Hunt auction lots where you didn’t know exactly what you were getting in a lot until it showed up on your doorstep.

whitey19thcentury 04-16-2018 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCMA (Post 1767142)
Best have a sharp blade handy once they arrive. Lots of hacking and slashing in your future.

Packages came today. Two huge boxes, one box held the framed and matted Puerto Rican league whiskey display piece. The other box held all the other lots I won. Those lots were individually boxed in two boxes per lot, really. At least I got a boatload of packaging supplies to reuse! I appreciate the time and effort that they used to package my items, but wow. I have been buying from online auctions for close to 20 or so years now, and I never saw so much precaution take in shipping items. The shipping cost for the lots I won was over $500, which was more than 10% of my costs of the lots I won.

whitey19thcentury 04-16-2018 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1768167)
I guess I need to start paying attention to Christie’s now. I remember the good old days of Hunt auction lots where you didn’t know exactly what you were getting in a lot until it showed up on your doorstep.

There are still some other auction houses where you can luck out still in terms of bidding on bulk lots and being surprised when it comes to your doorstep.


Lelands used to be like that back in the day, too. I remember purchasing fantastic autograph lots back in the 00s in Lelands. One vintage Yankees lot I purchased had two signatures each of former owners Devery and Farrell, and those weren't listed or shown.
Another autograph lot I purchased about 15 or so years ago had the very tough Andy Varga on a vintage RPPC. Again, not even mentioned in the auction listing.

BeanTown 04-17-2018 01:21 AM

1 Attachment(s)
I don't think any AH will beat Hunt from the old days. They did partial descriptions and one picture for the entire lot. They almost always over achieved for their buyers as there were always additional items in the box. Tele Trade was another auction which will never be duplicated. Loved bidding by phone to a computor voice.

Now to Christies. Here is what a 950.00 shipping charge gets you! A big box with lots of protection. Im sure Christies uses shipping and insurance as major profit centers for their company. Plus the 25 percent BP is pretty healthy too.

It just amazes me that that half their descriptions, was warning people that they are not responsible for what type photo it is and no garuntee for being authentic. Lot descriptions were more disclaimers than actual product descriptions.

Then they show one or a couple photos to show lots with up to 75 items. Yes, if you are in New York its a big advantage to show up to their location actually look at the items ahead of time But how many people actually did that? I was told over the phone they would get back to me, and that never happened. Plus I was told the lot I inquired about was in another warehouse.

I think ALL winners should have their photos looked at, as rumorville has it there were many type 2s and later photos. Interesting Christies nor the consignor wanted to Have photos graded by a TPG.

Maybe two threads should be posted with one being success stories and burried treasure and the other thread being No treasure and a couple lumps of coal.

whitey19thcentury 04-17-2018 09:09 AM

OMG! Tele Trade! I remember bidding on their auctions via pay phone on my floor in the dorm building I lived in at Robert Morris! Fun memories!

tazdmb 04-17-2018 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1768167)
I guess I need to start paying attention to Christie’s now. I remember the good old days of Hunt auction lots where you didn’t know exactly what you were getting in a lot until it showed up on your doorstep.

I believe this was the last of Christies baseball auctions

T206Jim 04-17-2018 08:29 PM

4 Attachment(s)
JC, I'd estimate out of the 150 photos in my lots approximately 10% where not Type 1s. Sometimes however the other types are much cooler! Check out this Lajoie. First is the base image. The second is the image with the floating head (a clearer image) attached (note the glue marks on the first image). The third shows both and the fourth is a published example of FrankenLajoie. This was photoshop circa 1910. A fascinating look at the editing craft.

Attachment 312999 Attachment 313000

Attachment 313001 Attachment 313002

Topnotchsy 04-17-2018 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazdmb (Post 1768258)
I believe this was the last of Christies baseball auctions

They indicated it was the last of the collection they had been consigned (the 3 auctions were all from a single consignor). I imagine if a similar situation came up they would do it again, but I would wonder why anyone would consign sports items to Christie's given the way these listings were handled.

Snapolit1 04-17-2018 09:10 PM

Clearly on the photographs they parsed out the Ruth Gehrig and Cobbs etc for the first two auctions and this was let’s sell what’s left. Quickly and in groups. Assume the consignor was fine that approach or he would have taken it elsewhere.

BeanTown 04-17-2018 11:42 PM

Jim, thats good to hear and agreed the later types can be very cool, like the examples you showed. I take it you will be be reserching many photos now and the what issues they were used in.

Jeff, I think the consignor must have had a relationship with Christies which would explain why they chose to go with an AH that did not do him any favors, on the way they sold off his consignments. Not too mention, the absorbiant fees they charge buyers. This could pave the way for future gazillionares, trust funds, buying groups, and Museums to consign a large 8 figure consignment to them.

Im curious what percentage of the consignors portfolio was made up of the 3 Christies Sport auctions? I bet they also have some serious art, houses in every Continent, many high profile cars, vases from the Ming Dynasty, their own Island and possibly a ticket to go out in space! Im just glad they allowed the public to buy and enjoy their collection which they have amassed. Some big collections will never come to market.

MVSNYC 04-18-2018 10:20 AM

Slightly O/T...

I was the underbidder on lot 153 (WALTER O’MALLEY LETTER REGARDING BROOKLYN DODGERS RELOCATION). I was prepared to bid higher, but sadly Christie’s outbid email never came through to me.

If the winning bidder is on Net54, LMK if you are interested in making a fast, significant profit. Thanks!

Snapolit1 04-18-2018 02:48 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Conlon Waite Hoyt, used for 1933 Goudey card.

Snapolit1 04-18-2018 02:53 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Conlon, 1913 World Series Game 1, Chief Bender running to cover third.

Snapolit1 04-18-2018 03:01 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Conlon Lefty Grove, used on a few odd cards. Not sideways of course.

RedsFan1941 04-18-2018 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1768523)
Slightly O/T...

I was the underbidder on lot 153 (WALTER O’MALLEY LETTER REGARDING BROOKLYN DODGERS RELOCATION). I was prepared to bid higher, but sadly Christie’s outbid email never came through to me.

If the winning bidder is on Net54, LMK if you are interested in making a fast, significant profit. Thanks!

sorry to hear you didn't get the resolution you were looking for from christies. :(

MGHPro 04-18-2018 04:49 PM

1 Attachment(s)
No hidden treasure but I certainly didn't get the pack job everyone else got . At least it wasn't damaged .

Forever Young 04-18-2018 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Jim (Post 1768404)
JC, I'd estimate out of the 150 photos in my lots approximately 10% where not Type 1s. Sometimes however the other types are much cooler! Check out this Lajoie. First is the base image. The second is the image with the floating head (a clearer image) attached (note the glue marks on the first image). The third shows both and the fourth is a published example of FrankenLajoie. This was photoshop circa 1910. A fascinating look at the editing craft.

Attachment 312999 Attachment 313000

Attachment 313001 Attachment 313002

Very very cool

MVSNYC 04-18-2018 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1768613)
sorry to hear you didn't get the resolution you were looking for from christies. :(

Ronnie- they were actually pretty helpful...we discussed them reaching out to the winning bidder stating I’m interesting in acquiring the item. they said it would be between me and the buyer, Christie’s would only be putting us in touch (there’d be no cut for them), which I thought was good...so, fingers crossed I get a response.

TCMA 04-21-2018 11:04 AM

Some gems from Lot 90. Looks like the 1906 Cincinnati Reds.

First image:
Top right - Cy Seymour
Top left - Al Bridwell

Second image:
Top left - Miller Huggins
Top right - Frank Jude
Bottom left - Paddy Livingston
Bottom right, Admiral Schlei

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...261f48f5b9.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9c97a25287.jpg

Plus an RPPC from Addie Joss Day:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bf5a01109d.jpg




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

GKreindler 04-22-2018 04:50 PM

Did anyone here happen to win lot #98 with all of the Cuban baseball related photos?

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/g...ction-98/54166

I'm trying hard to get my hands on a high-res scan of the team shot of the '38/'39 Leones, which was featured in the top right corner of the preview:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...pswhe58ntx.jpg

Can anyone lend a hand?

Thanks,

Graig

Kris19 04-22-2018 07:43 PM

HR Baker
 
3 Attachment(s)
I guess you could say this Home Run Baker Photo was double-buried. After a week of pouring over our photos, under the “Sport Pictorial” sticker we discovered the always welcomed Paul Thompson stamp!

Bicem 04-22-2018 08:09 PM

Nice find Kris!


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:40 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.