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btcarfagno 05-23-2018 12:33 PM

Wednesday Pre-War Trivia
 
No cheating. Try this one off the top of your head.

In the history of major league baseball, what player has the most career at bats without ever having a single season with an OPS+ of 100 or greater?

Hint: Not a HOFer

Bonus: Who is second all time (not a pre-war player and also not a HOFer)

packs 05-23-2018 12:37 PM

Probably Bill Bergen. He was terrible with a bat in his hands.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 01:39 PM

Not enough AB's

martingale 05-23-2018 01:46 PM

mark belanger?

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martingale (Post 1779755)
mark belanger?

The player in question is pre-war. And believe it or not, Belanger isn't in the top 5!!

Also Belanger somehow managed to have a year with an OPS+ of 100. Don't ask me how.

#5 on the list had over 7,300 AB's...just as a frame of reference Belanger had 5,784 AB's.

Looking for #1 and a bonus of #2.

darwinbulldog 05-23-2018 02:07 PM

Well I looked it up, so I'm not going to post the answer, or what I'm pretty sure is the answer, except to say that I could have sat here all day and tried naming every prewar player I could think of and probably wouldn't have thought of this guy.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1779764)
Well I looked it up, so I'm not going to post the answer, or what I'm pretty sure is the answer, except to say that I could have sat here all day and tried naming every prewar player I could think of and probably wouldn't have thought of this guy.

Can you believe he had that many at bats???

darwinbulldog 05-23-2018 02:16 PM

Probably about twice as many as I would have guessed.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 02:23 PM

He appears on the "similarity score" top 10 with #2 on the list. Probably not surprising though they played 70+ years apart.

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2018 02:25 PM

Maranville? Oh wait you said not HOFer NM.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779771)
Maranville? Oh wait you said not HOFer NM.

Maranville had enough ABs but had three years of 100+ OPS+.

#3 on the list is a HOFer though...

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2018 03:05 PM

For post-war, another light hitting SS like Eddie Brinkman? He played quite a while and no way he had a high OPS season.

clydepepper 05-23-2018 03:17 PM

I'm presuming single seasons means single, full seasons, right?

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2018 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btcarfagno (Post 1779772)
Maranville had enough ABs but had three years of 100+ OPS+.

#3 on the list is a HOFer though...

Aparicio or Mazeroski for that one?

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779781)
For post-war, another light hitting SS like Eddie Brinkman? He played quite a while and no way he had a high OPS season.

Not enough at bats

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1779784)
I'm presuming single seasons means single, full seasons, right?


Actually that qualifier doesn't even matter in this case

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779785)
Aparicio or Mazeroski for that one?

Maz is #3. Aparicio had a 100.

#1 and #2 both had more at bats than Maz did.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:27 PM

#1 has a high season of 93 OPS+. No other seasons of even 90. Haven't heard that he was some defensive genius either, so no idea why he got so many plate appearances.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:30 PM

#1 was in several of the top "tweener" pre WW1 sets.

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2018 03:32 PM

Oh I forgot the ultimate light hitting SS, Larry Bowa. Him?

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779797)
Oh I forgot the ultimate light hitting SS, Larry Bowa. Him?

That's #2

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2018 03:38 PM

No clue on 1.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779801)
No clue on 1.

He was in all three of the top pre-World War 1 tweener sets

Tom Hufford 05-23-2018 04:13 PM

Tommy Thevenow? He only hit two HRs in the majors, and they came in the same week.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Hufford (Post 1779811)
Tommy Thevenow? He only hit two HRs in the majors, and they came in the same week.

He meets the OPS+ category but has less than half the career at bats of #1 on the list. Also note my hint above regarding #1 being in the three major tweener pre WW1 sets.

FourStrikes 05-23-2018 06:29 PM

...
 
the ears don't match. :D

.

btcarfagno 05-23-2018 07:23 PM

His rookie year he was a teammate of three Hall Of Fame players.

His final year he was a teammate of three Hall Of Fame players.

frankbmd 05-24-2018 01:44 AM

OPS+ did not exist when this dude played.

No doubt I will be the answer to some trivia question based on a contrived statistic developed after my demise.:eek:

btcarfagno 05-24-2018 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1779908)
OPS+ did not exist when this dude played.

No doubt I will be the answer to some trivia question based on a contrived statistic developed after my demise.:eek:

As will we all Frank.

And if the baseline average is 100, I'm sure I will be much like this guy.....a career 83 mark and people questioning why I got so many times at the plate.

buymycards 05-24-2018 06:05 AM

tweener
 
What in the hell is a tweener?

frankbmd 05-24-2018 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 1779922)
What in the hell is a tweener?

I don’t know, but if I had one, I would reach for my tweezers.

Peter_Spaeth 05-24-2018 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1779908)
OPS+ did not exist when this dude played.

No doubt I will be the answer to some trivia question based on a contrived statistic developed after my demise.:eek:

Most failed attempts at humor?
:eek:

btcarfagno 05-24-2018 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 1779922)
What in the hell is a tweener?

The 20 year gap between the "big two" pre WW1 sets...N172 and T206...

He was in all three of the most collected sets from those years.

btcarfagno 05-24-2018 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779932)
Most failed attempts at humor?
:eek:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGco...sT5K/giphy.gif

frankbmd 05-24-2018 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1779932)
Most failed attempts at humor?
:eek:

Cy Young also led the league in wins.:D

Peter_Spaeth 05-24-2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1779958)
Cy Young also led the league in wins.:D

+1
Another one added to your total, that is. :cool:

btcarfagno 05-24-2018 09:56 AM

At different points of his career, the player in question was a teammate of both of the greatest deaf players of the era.

btcarfagno 05-25-2018 05:13 AM

Trivia answer:

Tommy Corcoran


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