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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

I am undecided as to whether t215-1 (and t213-1) should be considered t206s, but I am working on several back runs and fully feel i need the type 1 version of the cards to complete the back run. In fact, I would like to get all t213 and t215 versions (including pirate back), as well as t214, to do a true and complete back run. Doesn’t answer your question Ted, but maybe advances the topic a bit.

I would say no since we don't know the full list of who was printed in 1910 and who was 1912. It makes sense to me that both series of cards be grouped together as their own set.

Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 1835481)

CONTINUATION from previous post.

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1835633)

Lucky for me that the blue Chase was NOT printed with the RED CROSS back :)

I know exactly what you mean Ted. I've attempted three back runs, and all three are missing the RED CROSS back. :(

PS- Merkle throwing
Bresnahan batting
Street catching, also missing the Red Hindu

Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1835640)

I know exactly what you mean Ted. I've attempted three back runs, and all three are missing the RED CROSS back. :(

PS- Merkle throwing
Bresnahan batting
Street catching, also missing the Red Hindu

GOOD LUCK...finding the RED CROSS (T215-1) cards. You'll most likely find the red HINDU Street before
you will find any of those RED CROSS (T215-1) cards.

If I intend to run the entire white-bordered route, I start by "reverse engineering" the run....that is to start by acquiring the RED CROSS first,
then follow up with all the rest of the cards.

For example, that's how I began my Dots Miller run with this T215-1 card. Only nine backs needed in the T206 group, of which I still need the
BROAD LEAF 350, CAROLINA BRIGHTS and DRUM (although, DRUM has yet to be confirmed for Miller).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...5miller50x.jpg

TED Z
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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

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Shown here are some of the stars in the T215-1 set

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Just a tidbit of Tobacco trivia...... P. Lorillard is the oldest tobacco products manufacturer in the U.S. ?

Listed here is a breakdown of the 96 subjects in the T215-1 set with respect to their series in the T206 set...………..

150/350 Series…...Summer/Fall 1909
Mathewson (white cap)

350-only Series…...Spring/Summer1910

Bender (trees)
Byrne (St Louis)
Eddie Collins (A's)
Cree
Doolan
Dubuc
Fromme
Hartsel
Hoblitzel
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Kelley
Krause
Lord
Marquard (portrait)
McGinnity
Matty McIntyre
Miller
Mowrey
Oakes
Paskert
Purtell
Quinn
Speaker
Street (portrait)
Warhop
Wilson

350/460 Series…...Fall/Winter 1910

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
L. Doyle (bat))
Elberfeld (fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Harry McIntyre
Mullin(bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Pelty (vertical)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Frank Smith
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Jeff Sweeney
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wiltse (pitching)
Cy Young (glove)

460-only Series…...Winter 1910/Spring 1911

Ball (Cleveland)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (batting)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
L. Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Herzog
Hummel
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Murray (portrait)
Oldring (bat)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

OK, given the above list and the trades which resulted in new teams in the subjects captions (see post #580), let's see who is the Net54 genius
that can logically figure out the 1st series T215-1 cards which were issued in 1910.

And, as a result we will identify which cards were issued in 1912.....besides these 15 whose team changed from their T206 counterpart...…

Byrne Pittsburgh
Harry Davis Cleveland
Donlin (bat) Pittsburg
Griffith (bat) Washington
Hartsel Toledo
Herzog New York NL
Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL
Lord Chicago AL
Harry McIntyre Chicago NL
Matty McIntyre Chicago AL
Mowrey St Louis NL
Oakes St Louis NL
Frank Smith Cincinnati
Steinfeldt (bat) St. Louis NL
Cy Young (glove) Boston NL

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dCross50xb.jpg

TED Z
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Hi Ted, isn't there a RED CROSS Bresnahan batting in the 350 Series?

Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?

Sean

The Bresnahan that you are referring to is found only in the T215-2 set. I have never seen a T215 Bresnahan (with bat) with a BROWN caption.

I always double-check my T215-1 data by referring to the PIRATE set of cards (which are a known quantity, and are essentially a mirror image
of the T215-1 cards).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg

TED Z
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